The Post Office and Knives

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I had an experience yesterday that I wanted to share with everyone. A few weeks ago I ordered a 3" folder from one of the more popular businesses that support this forum. When I received the knife I discovered that it was not comfortable in my hand. So I call the business and asked if I could exchange it for another. They were great and said no problem. I carefully wrapped the boxed knife in bubble pack and put in a sturdy box. Yesterday I took it to the post office for shipment. It took me 15 minutes in line to get to one of the windows. (We have the worst post office in the nation, but that is another story.) By the way, the name of the business has the word "knife" in the title, so that was on the address label.

When I got to the P.O. window a little old lady clerk saw the word knife and asked if a knife was inside. I said "yes, it is a pocket knife". She raised her eyebrows and proceeded to pull out this thick book of regulations that looked like "War and Peace". I asked her if she considered the knife a hazardous item and she nodded yes. Then she proceeds to interrogate me. Is it a switchblade? How is it packaged? She must have thought that the knife was going to leap from the package and attack someone. My patience was running thin at this point. It told her that she could hit the package with an axe and the knife would not come out.

I finally just asked her if I would have to take it UPS. She said "No, I will ship it, however, I couldn't do it if it had the word "knife" on the box". At that point I said "I thought that was what started this whole conversation". She then said that it was OK in the label, but not printed somewhere on the box. I almost laughed out loud. I could tell then that she was just making up regulations as she went. It is obvious that the P.O. clerks don't really know what the regulations are. The moral of the story is this. If you ship a knife to someone then DO NOT put the word knife anywhere on the box, not even in the address label. And the P.O. wonders why it is losing business!
 
Moving to TGB&U, if I'm not laughing too hard to use the mouse.... :)

Loony as that lady was, it is a good idea to omit "Knife" from the company name. You'll notice most manufacturers and dealers omit it from their return address on the packages they mail out, too. It cuts down on theft.
 
If you are looking for an intelligent life form, don't look there.

Also, it is good they don't want anything like "knife" printed on the package because someone they work with is liable to STEAL IT.

Always try to find out from companies a good abbreviation for their business name and use that to avoid theft and stupid hassles.
 
It really is SILLY, but if you ship overseas, it is better to identify a knife as a small HAND TOOL. Do NOT ask me why, but if it say K-N-I-F-E, out comes the POSTAL MAGNA CARTA and they have to decipher very poorly worder regulations.
And NOTHING ever gets stolen from WITHIN a Postal facility, just ask them:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
This must vary widely between offices. We ship thousands of boxes of knives each year through our local PO . They are very aware of what they contain. We do label our packages as coming from Cumberland K&C , in stead of Cumberland Knives & Cutlery, but that was to cut down on theft, and it has. Our postal counter people buy knives from us !

Of course it never hurts that we give them our excess packaging peanuts to give out to other customers, or that we often buy lunch for everybody in the building. This is America after all, and a little palm greasing never hurt anybody.
 
I just call them Small Pocket Tools. Fedex in Canada refused to handle one marked knife that had a 2 1/2" blade but Canada Post took it as pocket knife. Getting pretty hard to enjoy a hobby! Mike
 
Every business has its lowest common denominator, and it looks like you found one. I have never, NEVER had any problem whatsoever with any of the USPostal offices that I have used. They have been professional and had good service. Which is interesting where I live now, considering how abyssmal the service is for 99% of the rest of the businesses. As for "the BOOK," when is the last time you tried to actually read a government regulation?! :eek: Forget it; they are typically written BY the lowest common denominator FOR the lowest common denominator. On the other hand, I have had reason for complaint with about 50% of the packages I have shipped through UPS or FedEx. Typically just due to convenience, but that is good enough reason for me. By the time the FedEx gets delayed a couple of days while I try to get home to meet the guy and sign for it, I could have just had it shipped regular mail with the USPS.

Bottom line is, internet and other mail order companies have lost my business if they don't ship USPS.
 
I've had good & bad experiences w/ the USPS- just this morning, I sent a knife off to Larry @ Blade art w/ a "B. A. Inc." address. (Insured w/ return receipt request) And I taped it up pretty good & signed the tape w/ a permanent sharpie (in case someone tries to cut it & cover it up- a *little* bit of paranoia is healthy IMHO). We luckily have a very small post office in my building here at work & I could post a pissed-off wolverine wrapped in barbed wire if there was a clean place to affix the postage- the guy in the window is a pretty mellow type & doesn't get rattled over that sort of petty crap.
God save us from those who want to save us from ourselves.
 
Many years ago, the old byzantine postal laws & regulations as enshrined in The Postal Manual were massively edited, updated, and reprinted in clear language on flimsy newsprint in large, softcover editions of the separate sections: Domestic Mail Manual, International Mail Manual, Postal Operations Manual, etc. Each Manual is reissued regularly with the current revisions integrated. It is no longer a handbook of medieval torture.

On the other hand, the nature of the business seems to encourage the bureaucratic mentality, and central control of employee training and outlying offices' procedures isn't always the best.

You have my sincerest sympathy in having to deal with official idiots, but they better not try that crap with me. One of the flyers I usually see in post office lobbies is the one on hazardous materials. If you can find one, hold on to it, and wave it ostentatiously at anyone dumb enough to tell you a knife -- or anything else not specifically mentioned there --is problematic.
 
I'm not surprised; I suspect it's the same reason why the largest luxury goods conglomerate LVMH (Louis-Vuitton-Moet-Hennessy) uses the following term as the return address on their customer service labels:

<blockquote>"HMVL"</blockquote>
Heh.

-Jon
 
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