The precarious politics of defending one's self.

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kilugan1

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I must say that I am more than mildly disturbed by the childish nature of soo many people in this country. The police are obliged to protect communities, individuals are responsible for protecting themsleves. In spite of this reality, there are people who allow and even agree with many of the more ludicrous weapon laws.
It is a sad state of affairs when one has to fear the persecution of prosecution when defending their life. That is sick! I don't agree with everything that our founding fathers stood for, but I believe that they would agree that people have a right to defend themselves without fear of
undue judicial involvement.
I am a firm believer in accountability for one's actions, but not like this. People shouldn't have to second guess themselves in dangerous situations, for fear that survival would mean a jail term.
 
Here, here. Well said.

Political correctness should have no place in self defence.

The Justice System rarely is about justice.

My $0.02
 
Absolutely.

IMHO, self-protection is a natural right, and no laws can ever change that. I'll not become defenseless because of some misguided piece of legislation.

I believe there's two things we must do: 1- become active in the political front by joining organizations such as the NRA, GOA and AKTI, and vote the collectivists out of office; and 2- get our priorities straight, accept the responsibility that comes with being prepared no matter what, and, if aplicable, choosing what risk we'd rather take.
Leo

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"Though the meek shall inherit the Earth, they won't keep it past Saturday night..."
 
Thank you for your support Steve. I happen to hate the fact that our reflexes are tainted byt the obligatory second guess, stemming from a fear of legal retribution. Self-defense shouldn't carry a jail sentence! The BG is the one who is wrong! Why should I go to jail for refusing to be their victim!?
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kilugan1:
Thank you for your support Steve. I happen to hate the fact that our reflexes are tainted byt the obligatory second guess, stemming from a fear of legal retribution.</font>
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That is why I say, whenever possible, if you know it is going to happen or you find yourself in the midst of combat and something happens...They stay where they lay.

It is not about being a criminal or promoting a crime. It is about surviving one set of circumstances and then surviving another set of circumstances.

Why are we here? What are we doing? If you are going to defend yourself and you are terrified of the notion of going to prison in a Society that allows a woman to be dragged to death and her infant tossed out the window of a moving vehicle, and the perpetrators of the crime are not executed but instead, they are coddled...well...you better stick with 10% O.C. Pepper Spray and a good, stout Cane.

 
That sucks about the LEO, terrible.

Gentlemen, I can think of two books related to this subject. The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy, and Secrets of Street Survival: Israeli Style.

Don recommended the first and what really blew me away was that in some places self defense is illegal regarding weapons. Reading it in text was the shocker versus hearing it as "restricting sales to save lives for the children".

The latter book by Eugene Sockut relates, saying that do not expect the media to understand defending yourself. Case in point, an Israeli soldier shoots a knife wielding assailant who attacked him. In the beginning of the attack, the soldier had to 1) fend off the knife 2) load the magazine in the rifle, take off safe and 3) shoot his attacker basically all at once. He was roasted by the media for defending himself.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I happen to hate the fact that our reflexes are tainted byt the obligatory second guess, stemming from a fear of legal retribution. Self-defense shouldn't carry a jail sentence! The BG is the one who is wrong! Why should I go to jail for refusing to be their victim!?</font>
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I agree with this. Too much handwringing about the "legal consquences," you'll find yourself dead with nothing to worry about. Perhaps, that's the intention.
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So, be straight in your mind about what you would or not do under different general scenarios, and then let it drop. If you don't, you won't be able to act with the speed that may be required of you when needed.

Surviving a deadly encounter will likely lead to another possible encounter in the legal system. even if you handled it by the "book." But you can only deal with one thing at a time because your mind can only handle one day at time. Preset yourself so you don't get bog down mentally when it hits the fan.

sing
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Sing is correct, as usual. The Criminal Justice System is screwed. I don't see it getting any better either. It is a wreck.

Even if that was fixed, which even if it did happen, it would take at least a decade, there is the Civil Arena which is just as screwy and unfair. This is a litigious society. Like Sing said, get it in your head where the line in the sand is...then enforce that.

It does a person no good to be the most "legal, moral or ethical" person in a casket.
 
There is one thing that I ask for on a daily basis: CLEAR SELF DEFENSE LAWS!!!
If I am to be a criminal for defending myself, at least clearly let me know how and why. Many of these laws are worded in such a way as to have a nebulous meaning.

In my state, the knife laws are a tad vague. We know that a double-edged weapon is illegal and so are "dirks" and several other things which aren't clearly defined. A law written soo vaguely is one meant to discourage people from using that means with which to defend themselves. That's sick! A knife has been a viable and successfull means of self-defense for centuries!!
Criminals have made the unenlightend afraid of weapons. This is our problem because these people are voting out of ignorance and cowardice. They allow themselves to be ruled by judges who seem to think that people are safer walking city streets with nothing but their faith in God to protect them. That is truely criminal.
 
By the way Smoke, I'm glad you enjoyed that book. It is virtually unknown outside of the "Gun Community."

It clearly details an Anti-Self Defense movement.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
 
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