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Newcomers will sometimes take a post or video as gospel and go copy the method with their grandfather's Black Raven. For posterity it's good to correct glaring errors for the sake informing others. Apologies in advance if this makes someone cry. Wanna tissue?
 
Newcomers will sometimes take a post or video as gospel and go copy the method with their grandfather's Black Raven. For posterity it's good to correct glaring errors for the sake informing others. Apologies in advance if this makes someone cry. Wanna tissue?

Excellent counterpoint...civility, and appreciating it, makes you a snowflake. Best to be rude about sharing knowledge. Exactly the kind of teachers I search out when I have a question.

At any rate, if you're worried about newcomers, did you post on the youtube video, pointing out the damage he was doing? If not (and you didn't...), it wouldn't seem you're really concerned about newcomers, especially since most here know better. It would seem more like an attempt to justify a lack of civility...
 
Looks like a Harbor Freight axe. Hope he had fun. Thats what its supposed to be.

'Back in the day, I cut up & forged on at least a couple hundred. Turned a fair dime doing it too.
Its staggering what Cosplay folks will pay somebody else to make them an outfit.
 
Going to play devil's advocate here and ask to see picture of the last axe head that you heavily customized using hand and or power tool.

I leave the shape and size of a head to the manufacturer. If I don't like it I don't buy it. Metallurgy is a black enough art for ordinary stiffs as it is. Playing with wood though is another story. Unfortunately there is no last axe head (or even a first one) that I've heavily customized despite routinely using angle grinders and a bench grinders for doing other things.
 
This particular forum has unfortunately turned to a constant stream of criticism of anything that doesn't fit in within the very narrow scope of traditional American axes used only for 'real work'...because otherwise you're not a real man or you're just silly, or something along those lines. As if spending hours online talking about one of the 100's of axes (bc you need that many) you have fits real well with the 1950's manly lumberjack image.

I remember the distinct point when the change hit me. I don't remember who it was, but someone classified Australians as kookie (or some such word) in order to dismiss the value of their entire heritage of axe design in comparison to 'superior American axe'. The absurdity was just too much to not slap you in the face.

ETA: The criticism could be productive if the tone wasn't always that of a "smart old man educating (dismissing?) a silly hipster".

This is spot on, exactly how it feel about this place, i stoped hanging out in the nihonto message board because it was ultra elitist and now this place is getting there too.
 
This is spot on, exactly how it feel about this place, I stopped hanging out in the nihonto message board because it was ultra elitist and now this place is getting there too.

So here we have a thread that revolves around 2nd hand submitted youtube footage of some egotistical keener with an electric portable grinder that naively (or purposely) 'goes to town' with it in order to create a medieval prop or fantastic toy with blatant disregard for practicality/reality (duh, blade temper, whazzat?) and suddenly you are accusing folks on here of being elitist. OK, so what should 'we' have done in this situation?
 
So here we have a thread that revolves around 2nd hand submitted youtube footage of some egotistical keener with an electric portable grinder that naively (or purposely) 'goes to town' with it in order to create a medieval prop or fantastic toy with blatant disregard for practicality/reality (duh, blade temper, whazzat?) and suddenly you are accusing folks on here of being elitist. OK, so what should 'we' have done in this situation?

This post is an illustration of his point. "Egotistical keener"? What exactly do you have to base that on?

Maybe he wasn't going for reality. Maybe his intent was to make a prop. Maybe he doesn't care about temper because it will never be used. Maybe he just enjoyed making it and needed no other reason or justification. We know nothing about it. Yet strangers that he doesn't know and who don't know him are going to crap all over what he chooses to do? We have no idea, but you seem to have written the book on him.

"What should we have done?" Why do "we" have to do anything? I think that the very question is elitist.

I'm not looking to be disagreeable, but you asked. Just my opinion.
 
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No one is telling him not to make it. We're just pointing out the drawbacks in making it. For posterity we need to do this. People who follow his example as 'an expert' (must be 'cause he's on youtube) deserve to understand the reality of what's being done.

I'm a little surprised at how hurt some people get by constructive criticism.
 
No one is telling him not to make it. We're just pointing out the drawbacks in making it. For posterity we need to do this. People who follow his example as 'an expert' (must be 'cause he's on youtube) deserve to understand the reality of what's being done.

I'm a little surprised at how hurt some people get by constructive criticism.

I support all of that. But sometimes it's a bit more than constructive if you get my meaning. "Egotistical" was pulled out of thin air. What should be toned down is the baseless assignment of intentions and personality traits.
Sometimes we need to check ourselves, myself included, and remember that there is a difference between friendly correction and bashing.
 
I support all of that. But sometimes it's a bit more than constructive if you get my meaning. "Egotistical" was pulled out of thin air. What should be toned down is the baseless assignment of intentions and personality traits.
Sometimes we need to check ourselves, myself included, and remember that there is a difference between friendly correction and bashing.

Posting anything on youtube invites both criticism and compliments from a large and varied audience, and therefore requires of the poster greater naivety or a heightened ego. You're right jb, it could be the fellow was merely demonstrating prowess with a grinder and in that case I'm happy to credit him with not making a mess, such as novices often do when the darn thing binds or slips and inadvertently 'climbs' all over the work.
 
I think there's some ego involved in posting to youtube. Maybe not his driving factor but likely a part of it.
 
Unless, one is selling, I think the same could be said anytime we post our scores here or our own work.
 
Sorta hard going from newbie to master bladesmith in one youtube video. Anyone care to post honest photos of their first designs and efforts when they were getting into making knives or axes. The willingness to try and make something your own often leads to making something of your own. If the heat treatment of the axe head has been compromised or the design functions poorly for the intended purpose, I suspect that the fellow will adjust his design and/or methods to try and evolve. The real test of character is not whether you make mistakes along the way, but when you make mistakes along the way you learn from them rather than getting discouraged and giving up.

I'm no knife maker, but in the fields that I have accomplished some level of success at I vividly and fondly remember the advice offered with kindness and understanding. Cold criticism and mocking reflect poorly on the speaker, not the target. Anyone can be a critic. It's a rare few that can offer much needed advice in a manner that encourages the hearer as well as educates the hearer. The goal should be to build up those to whom you are speaking, not build yourself up in front of them.

Big words, I know. I am seldom able to live up to them, but they are still a goal of mine.

When I come on this forum I am always thankful for the wealth of knowledge and experience that is represented here. I rarely visit without learning something. I hope that some of the talented and experienced people here will reach out to the fellow in the video and help him grow. I liked the stylized appearance of his axe. Perhaps not the most straight-forward and practical design, but the same could be said for many Spyderco knives (which I love, by the way). I, for one, applaud him for taking the initiative to modify the original axe had and post a video. I'm sure he will learn from the experience, and his next one will benefit from process.
 
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