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Discussion in 'Razor Edge Knives' started by razor-edge-knives, Jul 6, 2019.

  1. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Josh did a beautiful reblade of a Rukus 610 in Vanax SuperClean for me, and it has been an outstanding steel. But I'd guess it would be quite different from Vancron SuperClean.

    What I like about Vanax is its balance. It has excellent wear resistance -- just a bit below Elmax and well above D2 -- and excellent toughness for a stainless steel. Elmax is known as a tough powder stainless, but Vanax is quite a bit tougher, so is has better resistance to chipping and breaking than Elmax.

    The other excellent feature is its fine grain, which takes an incredible edge. It's also way more stain resistant than other stainless steels.

    Living in the rainforest and walking trails with my dog everyday, I often use Vanax for chopping free-hanging branches. That seems like a simple task, but the lateral forces can be very high, especially when cutting through wood where the grain pattern changes and the blade has a lot of momentum. This activity has destroyed the edge -- even the blades -- of many lesser steels. Vanax has stood up to it all. The first steel I've found to do so.

    Phil Wilson calls this twisting toughness, or torque. It's not a quality found on data sheets, and all high-vanadium steels will have poor torque. When you combine twisting torque with impact, not many thin edges will avoid damage. But Vanax is awesome. After lots of chopping, it has no damage. It holds an edge really well (like good S30V), is easy to sharpen, takes a super keen edge, is virtually stain free and has enough toughness to generate excellent edge stability (resistance to both denting/rolling and chipping/breaking). I also believe that the super stain-resistance keeps the edge apex from corroding, especially in wet environments (rainforest) or where you inadvertently leave small bits of whatever you were cutting on the edge. The Vanax edge doesn't care. What's not to like.

    Vancron is much different.

    Vancron is a high-vanadium steel run much harder than Vanax. (It has 10 percent Vanadium, as much as the rest of the alloys combined, including carbon.) Vanax will top out at 60-61 Rc. Vancron can be run up to 68 Rc. Voestalpine, the parent company of Uddeholm, puts Vancron's abrasive wear at 70 percent, compared to D2 at 55 percent. It rates it considerably tougher than D2, but considerably less tough than Vanax.

    I've never used Vancron, but it should be superior on wear resistance, but weaker on toughness than Vanax. So it would be a more dedicated blade and Vanax more balanced.

    When I lost my Vanax Rukus, I was totally upset, because it was the best EDC I've ever had. There were three cases where I had to cut rope tie-downs on heavy equipment I was delivering for repair. The Vanax blade was so sharp and such an aggressive cutter that the rope just fell away, leaving the mechanics talking excitedly about my knife, not the equipment. It's that good.

    Fortunately, I found the lost Vanax Rukus hanging from a tool belt that had snagged the pocket clip.

    Josh did excellent work on that regrind.

    Here's some chopping damage done to an extremely tough, low-alloy steel. It shows how powerful the impact torque can be on an edge. Vanax has suffered no damage at all from lots of chopping.

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  2. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Thanks for the write up Josey! Wow you found it?!! That's so awesome I'm glad to hear that!

    Yeah I'm really happy that I can get the vanax... Gonna be sweet!
     
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  3. duramax

    duramax KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 29, 2012
    These look really nice !!! Design looks really useful for edc.
     
  4. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Should be finishing kydex sheaths tomorrow!

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  5. woodysone

    woodysone Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    Very nice looking little guy!;):)
     
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  6. mb>

    mb> Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 24, 2014
    That crowned spine is a nice touch. :thumbsup:
     
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  7. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Yeah I decided to do it instead of jimping... Since this knife is so small you have very good control already and the spine is super comfortable for your thumb now :)
     
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  8. Sigsog226

    Sigsog226 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 3, 2013
    I can't wait for these little fixed blades. I've been looking for one just like it for awhile now. None of them really got my attention. Looks perfect to me, as long as there is some micarta somewhere ;)

    I mentioned on your ig as well, I think that would make for a awesome folder as well with a few necessary tweeks of course. Any date you have lined up for their release yet?
     
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  9. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Awesome man! Yeah I have two with od green micarta in this batch... I'm planning on keeping a variety of scale options available in every batch ;)

    This initial batch will be ready beginning of this week (I'll announce via newsletter when up on the site, first come first serve). Then I'm hoping to launch the second batch immediately, probably 40-50 pieces.
     
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  10. Richard338

    Richard338 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 3, 2005
    I went to order a green peel g10 within 10 minutes of getting the newsletter email. Sold out already, had to settle for black!
    Can't wait to get this thing... congrats.
     
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  11. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Yep they went fast!! So excited :D Can't wait to start hearing reports of how people like them.

    A few pics for everyone!
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    and here's mine... love how slim these are!

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  12. Wood5045

    Wood5045 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 22, 2016
    They look great. What handle texture do you like best?
     
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  13. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Man that's too hard to tell... I love them all LOL

    If I was gonna be using in a wet/slippery environment the peel ply is amazing. For comfort during long cutting sessions though the sculpted micarta would probably be my choice.
     
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  14. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Wow! They went fast. I opened the email shortly after it arrived, clicked to order and they were gone.

    Congratulations, Josh. Looks like an awesome knife. Five thousandths at the edge shoulders is really acute. I can't imagine how you got a micro-bevel on such a thin, narrow edge. Must have been like surgery.

    I really like the ramped plunge line, softened spine, high grind, lack of jimping, thin stock and classic, functional design. Good steel, too, at a nice hardness.

    I see that Extrema Ratio has a new folder out with a blade about that length. Beautiful design, but the blade thickness is 0.23 inches. That's a door wedge.
     
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  15. woodysone

    woodysone Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    I was in the same boat, opened email 1.5 hrs after sent and only green left. Really like the textured old green, next batch? Pre-order?
     
  16. Richard338

    Richard338 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 3, 2005
    Can you please say something about the clips that you recommend to wear the sheath?
    For example, which clip are you using in the picture above? Are there other options I should know about? E.g. where to clip? Which clip?
    They sell a bunch of different ones...
     
  17. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Yeah sorry they went quick!! Next batch I'll give everyone a heads up before they drop (vs just when they drop). Probably not doing pre-orders, I'll just make and sell when ready.

    Discreet Carry concepts has a few good clips that were recommended by @Fullflat, he can also recommend some others. I am running a single hole metal clip I got here, but I had to enlarge the hole for it to work
     
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  18. Sigsog226

    Sigsog226 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 3, 2013
    Yeah I'll have to get one next time. Glad they sold so fast though. Interested to hear the feedback and seeing some more pics myself.
     
  19. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Does your use/testing of Vanax replicate what Larrin has found in his testing?

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  20. razor-edge-knives

    razor-edge-knives Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 3, 2011
    Me too! I'll try to get some good use videos in the near future.
     
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