The Runt vs the techno

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The Runt vs The Techno

About a year ago, I found myself inexplicably in the throes of a need to buy knives. Over the years, especially those, when I was in the military or working in the gun industry, I’d bought a few, some of them very nice by most standards. But I’d never been hit with this “out of the blue,” passionate desire to collect.

I started, buying folders and moved through, ZT, Benchmade, Spyderco, Chris Reeve, and GEC. As a non-accumulator, buying a few and keeping the ones that prove themselves, is my way. I began to home in on certain choices, leaving the rest.

Wondering what else, I started looking at fixed blades. I spent hours pouring over websites focusing on a few, After studying Bark River, I was impressed with their selection, but noticed something was missing. These were tools, really good ones, but I was looking for something else - something visual, non rational - something that would provide a hit to the gut, like a piece of art, sculpture or, as we all know, other “boys toys” can do. Cruising the Knives Ship Free website, while wondering, “what else?” I stumbled onto Fiddleback Forge. Hmm… I yakked with Tyler a bit, found the Forge section of Blade Forums, read a bunch, collected pictures into a file for organizing, and discovered I was sorta hooked. Inexplicable, but there it was.

I soon learned, buying Fiddleback Forge knives is not easy. There’s no convenient store, to visit, where one can look and handle. The web facilitates some knowing, but delivers something more akin to educated guessing rather than the informed choice that the ability to handle before purchasing, affords. Thanks to Comprehensivist, Thurin, Mistwalker, M4Super90, Jou’fuu, MAW and others, one can get an idea of the various models, where they fit functionally, and some notion of the ergonomics. With gratitude for the above, there’s no substitute for experiencing the knife in hand. The take away has been, “buy and try” is the only way. At least we’re keeping the USPS busy. So far Im batting .500.

There is, to me a functional distinction to be made between fixed blade and folding knives. Folders In my limited experience, are preferred for daily carry and every day utility. As a Californian carrying a knife in a sheath is controversial. Even if this were not the case, my dress preference and “urbanish" lifestyle do not facilitate carrying a fixed blade knife. The Recluse, Bushcrafter and even Monarch I’ve managed to purchase make sense to me. These are large enough to do the tasks associated with outdoor recreation, bush crafting and hunting. They are gorgeous. But like many of you, my mind wanders. What’s next? Why “need?” A hundred Runts, 50 Bushcrafters? Practical, schmactical.

One of my favorite folders is the Spyderco Techno. Its smaller than the small Sebenza and nearly as “perfectly” executed. There are things about it I like better than the little 21. The blade and handle finish are more interesting. The stone washed/polished blade finish is elegant. The thing fits in my 501’s watch pocket. But its the shape that wins. My granddaughter says it looks like a bird. She’s right. Funky, thuggish, birdlike, indeed. And the Spyder hole makes it a great TV watching flicker.

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After applying my usual pragmatism, and landing on the above Fiddleback models, I began lusting for something more funner, something the size and utility of that Techno, but equally fun to look at.

Enter the Runt.

Looking at pictures on the web, it struck me that the Runt is the Fiddleback version of a Techno. While the Techno has that industrial, grey, Reeve-like austerity to it, the Runt takes a similar sinuous, funky, profile and adds a touch of artistry through the various handle materials and blade conformations.

A couple weeks back several Runts appeared on Fiddleback Friday, with 3/32” blades. In my mind, with head attempting to govern heart, and trying to rationalize the choices, I thought as a small pocketable, horizontal or cross draw carry, fixed blade the thinner lighter stock made sense. While everyone else was looking at the “ Starry Night” option I starting humming along with Don McLean, and somehow managed to score the one in the “Pigs in a Blanket” Shadetree.

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Warned by Keegan’s You Tube videos, “The Runt is small, really small!” I confess, even after reading its’ specs, I was not prepared for how diminutive the Runt really is. In a one hand operable folder, the Techno, is as small as seems workable for my size large, 10-10.5, gloved hands. But, the Runt is not a folder. It does not get manipulated. Its just there, just so. So a different perspective dawned.
Here’s some specs:

[table="width: 50em"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Techno[/td]
[td]Runt[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]overall length[/td]
[td]6”[/td]
[td]5 3/16”[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]blade to handle[/td]
[td]2 1/2”[/td]
[td]2 1/16”[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]cutting edge[/td]
[td]2 1/2”[/td]
[td]2 1/8”[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]blade height[/td]
[td]1 1/16”[/td]
[td]7/8”[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]b.h. @ spydey hole[/td]
[td]1 3/16[/td]
[td]N/A[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]handle length[/td]
[td]3 1/2”[/td]
[td]3 1/8”[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


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On this particular example, the PIB Shadetree is cool. There’s something about the loose weave and coloration that works with the fun, curvaceous, Runt. Understanding Fiddlebacks are hand shaped and each has a unique feel and look within a model, I confess I prefer the lines on some of the other Runts Ive seen pictured here on the Forum, but still, this one’s pretty cool. Clearly the 3/32 blade adds to the lightness and that compliments the functional role I imagined for this knife. Yet I now ask, as it is so light, do such small differences in weight mean anything? The almost clunky thick blade stock of the Techno adds to its visual character and detracts little in any practical way from how one would employ this size knife. That said and continuing with the way we evolve our tastes, the “buying and trying”, described above, I confess there are some edgewise views of Runts with thicker stock and tapered tangs I think, appeal more. Its a cool knife. I can see why a serious Fiddleback collector needs one or 2. Ahem……
 
:thumbup: Nice review. I have Runts in 5/32, 1/8, and 3/32, and I like the 3/32 the best because it's such a good slicer. You were fortunate to be able to snag a 3/32, they have been pretty hard to come by. BTW PIB stands for Professor In a Blender. :)
 
Right on man! Good looking runt there. I personally am a big fan of the 3/32 blade stocks. I have two now, an esquire and a handy man. I want more, and I think it's very nice on the small knives. I've yet to handle a runt but it's in my sights :)
 
Nice review. Thanks for taking the time Tom.

On the batting .500 part, don't forget about the satisfaction guarantee. We back our knives.
 
Nice review Tom. Lots of detail in there. It's always good to see comparisons with other knives.

Professor in a Blender's origin:

Well, you know, it looks like tweed before it is shaped but then it comes all over the place, so we figured you were thinking blended professor when you made it, naturally.

You need to add a pic for the unofficial runt based hand sizing comparisons like:

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Nice job on the comparison review Tom. I find that it is much easier to recognize and appreciate subtle design features on a given knife by comparing and contrasting it with other knive(s). You did a nice job of walking us through your thought process for choosing this Runt and your observations after you received it. As others have said above, scoring a Runt in 3/32" steel and Shadetree burlap is a winning combo for that model that is not very common or easy to find when you want one. I strongly prefer thinner steel (1/8" & under) on my small to medium length blades. I personally am not in the market for a Runt because it is a little small for my liking as a belt knife and I can't carry it concealed in CA. If I wanted to buy one, I would look for one like yours.

I appreciate your comments in various threads that you enjoyed some of my posts. As you have noted, there is a wealth of knowledge and experience being contributed by various members of the community here. I have learned a lot from them along my journey here, so I like to do what I can to pay it forward when I can.

I have a suggestion for you. Since you seem to be bitten by the collecting bug (or spider :thumbup: ) and posting more regularly now, you might want to consider updating your membership level to Gold to gain access to a PM mailbox and the ability to post sale or trade threads in the Flea Market. It is very worthwhile to be able to communicate and deal with other members apart from the public posts. Plus it supports the forum where we all like to hang out.

Thanks again for the review!

Phil
 
I was lucky enough to score this little gem in 3/32 Tequila during the recent run of 3/32! :thumbup:;)

 
Thank you all. I appreciate the feedback. It was fun. Thanks for filling me in on PIB, though I confess, "pigs in a blanket" was not my invention.... One of the few things I ever "collected" was tweed jackets - had a little ritual going every fall with my favorite haberdasher and his bolts of cloth. Think I like this "tweedy Professor" version of PIB better.
 
From Andy, "On the batting .500 part, don't forget about the satisfaction guarantee. We back our knives."


Thanks Andy, didn't mean "batting .500" had anything to do with quality. That's been great. Its just how individual knives have hit me in person, when I got them in hand. I suspect that batting average will improve as I crawl up the learning curve and grok which models work for me. Picture's worth a thousand words, but is no substitute for seeing in the flesh, and handling.
 
From Andy, "On the batting .500 part, don't forget about the satisfaction guarantee. We back our knives."


Thanks Andy, didn't mean "batting .500" had anything to do with quality. That's been great. Its just how individual knives have hit me in person, when I got them in hand. I suspect that batting average will improve as I crawl up the learning curve and grok which models work for me. Picture's worth a thousand words, but is no substitute for seeing in the flesh, and handling.

But thats what the satisfaction guarantee is for. I don't want folks batting .500 on the knives. Our knives are without risk. If you don't like it when you get it in hand, just swap it for another, or get a refund, or get your equal $'s spent toward a different one. Its a good warranty.

Where are you? We allow visits to the shop. Also, are you close enough to come to Blade Show?
 
I love my PIB Runt! I've got it in my pocket right now. Mine is ⅛" though. I'd love a Runt in 3/32", that would be the only thing I'd ever get rid of my PIB for.

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And here it is with my other well used Runt with OD canvas . . . 'On the rocks' to boot :D

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I love my Runt!! It rides in my back pocket everyday.
I wont subject ya'll to another pic of it.
 
But thats what the satisfaction guarantee is for. I don't want folks batting .500 on the knives. Our knives are without risk. If you don't like it when you get it in hand, just swap it for another, or get a refund, or get your equal $'s spent toward a different one. Its a good warranty.

Where are you? We allow visits to the shop. Also, are you close enough to come to Blade Show?

Oh yea, I get it. Thats what Im doing. Just took me a while to figure out that was OK.

Im in beautiful downtown Oakland, CA. Obviously not near your shop, or probably likely to be near it these days. Would love to see it, though. One of the first things I did when I retired was head to community college machine tool program. Spent 6 years with conventional, (non CNC) milling machines, lathes, grinders, heat treating. Loved it. Then got into wood and furniture. Have not discovered any version of "a" Blade Show that comes here. CA in general's pretty hostile to boys toys. Comprehensivist has written about it. Im originally from Northeast and grew up in what was called "gun Valley. " Thats not here. Weathers good though....
 
I was also one of the lucky ones...while everybody hunted Scandis and natural bolsters I took my chance :)




Crappy pics i know...better than nothing though.

TomR2: great post....thank you. I love the runt and in addition to above got a 1/8 Sft, 5/32 TT and a 3/16TT....some case queens i admit but there is sthing about this little knife that amazes me.
 
Is the runt a 2 or a 3 finger handle?

Depends on how big your fingers are and the grip you use I supposed. In the below pic it looks like a 3 finger but the way I actually grip it when using it's a 2 finger.

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I have a suggestion for you. Since you seem to be bitten by the collecting bug (or spider :thumbup: ) and posting more regularly now, you might want to consider updating your membership level to Gold to gain access to a PM mailbox and the ability to post sale or trade threads in the Flea Market. It is very worthwhile to be able to communicate and deal with other members apart from the public posts. Plus it supports the forum where we all like to hang out.

Thanks again for the review!

Phil

So Phil, whats this referring to, "After you've paid for your subscription remember to CHANGE YOUR USERGROUP in the control panel by clicking on the Group Memberships link."? User group = ? Tanks Tom
 
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