The standard Council Jersey cleans up real nice!

FortyTwoBlades

FortyTwoBlades

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The basic Sport Utility Jersey is a great axe for the money, but I decided to gussy this one up with some nice bevels in the cheeks and drastically thinned out the geometry right behind the edge. Chops like a dream now.

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How much harder would it be for manufactures to make axes thin where they should be thin and thick where they should be thick?
It must be cost prohibitive because no one is doing it. But yet we have seen axes with fangs and big phantom bevels on thick axes with chisel ground edges.
 
The amount of additional grinding and finishing WAS considerable. But I'd like them to revamp the Velvicut line to be basically like this and at 58 RC so the 5160 actually gets a chance to shine. Actually put the money towards features that matter.
 
I saw this on your site, Benjamin. Very clever modification. Looks like a lot of grinding, but what a sophisticated look it achieves!
 
If you get a chance it would be great to see what you did from a few more angles. Like looking up at the head from along the handle…

Looks awesome and sharp.
 
I'mSoSharp said:
You could with an angle grinder....
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Nope.......... Disc would have been running into the neck of the handle if I did. Also would have taken way longer compared to using my 2x72. I used an angle grinder with a conditioning disc for the surface finishing. And while I was at it I deburred the eye and removed the "ninja shelf" from the factory hydraulic seating.
 
Fair enough, just about every axe, hatchet & hammer head I've ever worked on bar a few nice ones has required the edge of the eye radiusing where the handle enters it, not only is it a high stress & classic break point with sharp edges but defeats the object of having an "hourglass" shaped eye to make easy re-seating (& driving the wedge in further) without head removal.
Nice axe & a nice job. 👍
 
garry3 said:
How much harder would it be for manufactures to make axes thin where they should be thin and thick where they should be thick?
It must be cost prohibitive because no one is doing it. But yet we have seen axes with fangs and big phantom bevels on thick axes with chisel ground edges.
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As far as the blade portion goes what it'd take is having a new closed-die milled for whatever equipment they use for forging.

The sides of the eye,that are so much thicker in newer axes vs the older ones may be a different story;i really don't know much about it but allow that the closed-die forging may have certain limitations having to do with plasticity limits of heated steel where in order to fill the die or some other issue some minimal thickness must remain.

But most probably it's all rooted in finances/marketing side of equation,not enough people care or know the difference and it wouldn't be justifiable expending resources in sucking up to the small minority that cares.

Long ago there used to be a CT video on Utube showing some steps of their production process. It has timed out since or was taken down or whatever,i can no longer find it. But what equipment it showed appeared to be pretty rag-tag,a pretty widely varying mix of very old to fairly new.
It did not look like the company was exactly filthy-rich,a bit of a hard scrabble outfit was the impression that i was left with.
An entire new die may be a pretty big deal for them.
 
jake pogg said:
As far as the blade portion goes what it'd take is having a new closed-die milled for whatever equipment they use for forging.

The sides of the eye,that are so much thicker in newer axes vs the older ones may be a different story;i really don't know much about it but allow that the closed-die forging may have certain limitations having to do with plasticity limits of heated steel where in order to fill the die or some other issue some minimal thickness must remain.

But most probably it's all rooted in finances/marketing side of equation,not enough people care or know the difference and it wouldn't be justifiable expending resources in sucking up to the small minority that cares.

Long ago there used to be a CT video on Utube showing some steps of their production process. It has timed out since or was taken down or whatever,i can no longer find it. But what equipment it showed appeared to be pretty rag-tag,a pretty widely varying mix of very old to fairly new.
It did not look like the company was exactly filthy-rich,a bit of a hard scrabble outfit was the impression that i was left with.
An entire new die may be a pretty big deal for them.
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If you try to forge too thin with drop forging you end up "clashing the dies" and it puts enormous strain on the incredibly expensive essential equipment. As a result, there are limits to how thin you can drop forge. Now, in theory it would be possible to drop forge axe blanks that would be given a final forging under open dies or under a forging press instead of a drop forge. But then you'd be looking at what would more resemble "reducing the cost of a hand-forged axe" rather than "adding features to a drop forged axe" from a consumer's standpoint. It's not too far off from what Gransfors and Hoffman Blacksmithing do.
 
jake pogg said:
As far as the blade portion goes what it'd take is having a new closed-die milled for whatever equipment they use for forging.

The sides of the eye,that are so much thicker in newer axes vs the older ones may be a different story;i really don't know much about it but allow that the closed-die forging may have certain limitations having to do with plasticity limits of heated steel where in order to fill the die or some other issue some minimal thickness must remain.

But most probably it's all rooted in finances/marketing side of equation,not enough people care or know the difference and it wouldn't be justifiable expending resources in sucking up to the small minority that cares.

Long ago there used to be a CT video on Utube showing some steps of their production process. It has timed out since or was taken down or whatever,i can no longer find it. But what equipment it showed appeared to be pretty rag-tag,a pretty widely varying mix of very old to fairly new.
It did not look like the company was exactly filthy-rich,a bit of a hard scrabble outfit was the impression that i was left with.
An entire new die may be a pretty big deal for them.
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It looks like Warwood Tool Co found a solution by making dies by themselves.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cg7l-GVFcw_/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbvFsguFruF/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
 
crbnSteeladdict said:
It looks like Warwood Tool Co found a solution by making dies by themselves.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cg7l-GVFcw_/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbvFsguFruF/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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That doesn't show any solution to the issue. Council ALSO makes their own dies. The problem is that you can't drop forge super thin because the dies smash into each other and get damaged and harm the forge itself in the process. The dies cost a minimum of $10,000 apiece and you usually need several sets for progressive forging because even with drop forging it still takes multiple steps. So it's very costly.
 
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