The Strider AR Passaround Review and Questions Thread

This may or may not shock you, but my Military is almost identically sized to the AR (in some ways). I have the older CPM440V Military, not the current production model. Check this out:

-Overall Length: I measure both knives at 9 7/16"
-Blade Length (I measure from tip of blade to front of scales): 4 1/8" for the AR and 4" for the Military! But...
- Edge Length (actual length of the sharpened edge): only 3.25" for the AR and 3.5" for the Military!

Unfortunately the double choil and the closed stop pin detent notch are carried over through the entire Strider folder line, meaning that you probably lose a significant portion of edge on them all. You lose almost an inch of blade because of the double choil and notch. :grumpy:
 
Thanks everyone for the pix, and thanks Chiro for the fix up, that will probably make a huge difference.
 
Well, I may have fixed the AR up, but I also broke it. Sorry guys. I had written a full review, but at 2 pages long it seemed redundant, so I'm going to "highlight" my thoughts below and I'll post some pics:

Initial Impressions (right out of the box, pre-using the knife, and my impressions changed considerably as I used it):
- Ridiculously huge and heavy
- Lots of wasted space
- A huge handle with a small knife attached to it (edge is only 3.25" on the AR)
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After using it quite a bit on various chores, I found that it performed quite well and my hand/brain seemed to like it more as I used it more. My likes and dislikes are listed below:

Likes:
- Well made, smooth, nicely functioning knife. I was impressed by the fit and function of the knife. Everything held together nicely, everything was put together right. After I fixed the washers up and lubed the knife it was very smooth to open and close, the lockup was solid, and there was very little play. After hundreds of openings and closing my thumb was a little raw from the texturing on the spine, lockbar and the little lip on the thumbstud, but in reality I wouldn't open and close a knife that much!
- Kitchen duty- I sliced up some melons, and did some other kitchen chores with it and it did great. Much better than expected! In a survival/outdoors situation you would expect a knife to do mundane stuff like this, so it's good to know it can serve as a food prep tool just as well as in other functions. It also performed one of the most important tasks I know of, which is slicing limes for gin & tonic on a 95° day in Michigan! :D

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- The added weight made the knife a good chopper. I tested it out chopping on pine and some sort of maple branches and it did pretty good for a folder. Chopping is about momentum, and since most folders are lightweight, they tend not to do too well. The added weight of the AR gave it pretty good chopping ability. It wouldn't be my first choice, but it did better than most I have tried.

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- It cut cardboard well, when it didn't hang the material up on the choil/stop pin cutout. I felt like it was second best to my Spyderco Military in this regard, which is impressive. I was pleasantly surprised by this, but the way the material hung up annoyed me in the end. The same happened cutting vines in my yard.

Dislikes:
- Weight. This thing weighs a ton, and for me the added benefits of a super strong lock and thick blade are unnecessary, so it wasn't my thing.
- Short blade- I know there are some design features built into the big choil, but I'd rather have as much edge that can fit onto the blade as possible. A 9.25" long knife with a 3.25" blade is a waste, in my book.
- Stop pin notch- the stop pin notch for stopping blade motion when you close the blade was annoying. It hung up on cardboard and vines. It prevented the AR from doing an excellent job for the chores I use knives for, and instead made me keep saying "Gee this knife would do great at this job if it wasn't for this $%^&!* stop pin notch!!!!"
- Detent- the ball detent that keeps the blade closed was more or less non-existant. A weak, weak detent on a tip up carry knife is a bad pairing, but Strider acknowledged this problem on some AR's and will warranty it.
- Thumbstud- the little lip on the thumbstud was brutal for my thumb. I'd personally prefer something rounded off, but then again in a natural setting I wouldn't open and close a knife that many times for no reason. It was very, very smooth so I couldn't help myself!

There goes the neighborhood...
- On the Badlands forum, which is Strider's own forum, I posted my thoughts on this knife and I was told that I would not experience the full benefits of the AR unless I do things that I would never expect a folder to do, like break up palettes, cut myself out of a car, etc. So, I upped my level of testing a little and did more aggressive chopping, batoned the AR through a relatively lightweight, dry 3" diameter "log" and did some prying. I think the chopping woul dbe even better if the handle was shaped differently.Without a "butt" on the knife, you sort of feel like it may fly out of your hand, so I had to have too tight of a grip for heavy chopping.

The prying was the death knell for this knife. I had a pine board that was behind the house for at least a few years, probably. I stabbed the knife in as far as it would go a few times, withoutout prying, just to get a feel for things. The added weight makes stabbing nice! Anyway, I stabbed lightly into the wood and started to pry and it popped right through the wood, no problem. Did it again and it just felt like the wood was going to win, so I stopped and checked the tip and it was fine. Did two more likght stabs and pries and again it did fine. I had also pried some really dried out, rotting wood and it did great, too. Anyway, tried one more stab/pry and about 1/8" of the tip snapped right off, no warning this time.

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Now, before anyone rants and raves that I abused the knife, let me qualify things first! I think that prying anything with a knife is abusing what a knife is supposed to do, so I agree that prying is a poor choice for a knife, folder or not. Also, the only reason I did any prying was because I was challenged to do things that other knives can't survive.

I also wouldn't pass any sort of judgement on the knife because of this "failed" test. Knives aren't prybars. Show me a prybar that is 3/16" thick, made of BG42 that is hardened to high 50's/low 60's RC! It doesn't exist and there is a reason why! Also, keep in mind this is one knife with an unknown history (did other people pry with it, etc?) and it isn't even the current production model, which uses a different steel.

All in all, I liked the AR. It did, in fact, do some things, mainly chopping, that other knives are extremely poor at. It also cut cardboard very well, especially when you factor in it's size. I have other folders with Teflon coated, 1/8" blades that don't cut cardboard half as well. The AR was comfortable to use, for the most part, in a variety of chores, even for my medium-sized hands. For me, personally, I found the cons outweighed the benefits, so it wouldn't be my first choice in a Strider folder (I'm probably more of a PT or SnG guy), but the knife surpassed my expectations, especially in the fit and finish department, and once I got it back to working properly I was pleased with it. It stand up to my abuse, but then again I wouldn't expect any knife to pry in wood like that very well, honestly.
 
Chiro75, Thanks for the review and the pix. It seems liek you been fair and balanced.

You are right in that we don't really know what happened to the knife previosuly. That being said, it shouldn't really matter anyway.
 
Prying with some knives would be considered abuse, but this knife is marketed to stand above the crowd in a tough use situations. My tanto cold steel medium voyager has pried a lot of stuff and never broken. My newt livesay neck knife has pried and been used as a throwning knife and the tip still survives. I pried a nail out of tire with a starmate and lost only about 10% of the size of the strider chip. A broken tip from moderate prying is not what I'd expect from a strider. Send it back and see what you get for a warranty.
 
This isn't abuse it's just usin it in the way it's designed. I do the poke and burrow for most of my knives I test.

A VERY fine review and pics.

I also want to see the turnaround time and how it's repaired. I've heard such good stuff about Strider.
Should be fine...
Tom
 
I'm sending it back to Dave, so he'll handle all that. Overall I liked the knife and, again, I don;'t think anyone should do any prying with a knife, so I'm kind of having a chuckle with the people on other forums who think I set out to destroy this knife! :rolleyes:
 
I thought you set out to detroy it AFTER you where encouraged to use it like it was meant to be used. Nothing like telling some one it's OK to do something, then after they did it, telling them they shouldn't have done it. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, and for the record:
1) Most of the people on the Badlands forum have been very constructive about the AR and my review, so I don't mean to imply that the whole group is out to get me or anything! Llike they said, most of the knife survived my testing just fine, and I would agree with that!

2) No one from Strider company told me to do anything. The "challenge" to work it harder was from other members of the Badlnads forum, not from the company, so please don't confuse what fans of Strider say about the knives versus what the company itself says... All too often people review Strider knives and say "Well they said this and they said that" but most of the claims of incredible feats with Strider knives come from users, not the company, and I think there's a difference. If someone buys one of my knives and says "Well, so and so said I could pry open a paint can with it and now it's broken" my response would be "Then tell so and so to fix it." So, just wanted to clear that up.
 
Great review. I'll be interested in what our W&R experience is. I've only heard good things, so I'm confident.

Greenie on the way to you Chiro! :cool: :D
 
WOW! Excellent in-depth review. I've been following the thread over at Badlands, I believe I posted in it also, and I have to say that you have presented one of the best reviews I've read in a long time. You've been totally unbiased and that is what it takes to write a review that is a fair review for any knife.

It's real easy to take a knife that you have preconceived notions about and either unfairly applaud it or unfairly trash it. I've followed this thread also and posted on it a couple weeks ago with a tip for anyone who has or is going to buy an AR. I've also just become a fan of the AR, and done so BIG TIME :D , as it has many, many of the things I've looked for in a folder.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know what i thought! :D :D :cool:
 
Well it’s been said before and I will say it now. This knife is big! After carrying it around for the past week as my EDC I started to like it a lot. It’s a little big for EDC but it will work. It did have a nasty habit of opening part way with some pants when I would draw it. It was not as heavy as I thought it would be and I did not find it uncomfortable. That was a real surprise.

It was nice and sharp when I got it and you could not tell that the tip was ever broken. I did not sharpen it the hole week until tonight. The edge held up well and never did I fell the need to sharpen it. I used it to chop a few sticks and whittle them up. When I did sharpen it, it only took a few passes on the sharpmaker to bring to back to shape.

In the end I really ended up liking this knife. The price is a little steep for me but maybe I will look into the Buck version. Not as an EDC, but maybe when I need a fixed blade but can only have a folder.
 
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