The Things They Carried.

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This is bit from a short story by a Viet Nam Vet who became a writer. This passage really struck a chord with me.

The Things They Carried

"They carried all the emotional baggage of men who might die. Grief, terror, love, longing-these were intangibles, but the intangibles had their own mass and specific gravity, they had tangible weight. They carried shameful memories. They carried the secret of cowardice barely restrained, the instinct to run, freeze or hide, and in many respects this was the heaviest burden of all, for it could never be put down, it required perfect balance and perfect posture. They carried their reputations. They carried the soldier's greatest fear, which was the fear of blushing. Men killed and died because they were embarrassed not to. It was what had brought them to war in the first place, nothing positive, no dreams of glory or honor, just to avoid the blush of dishonor. They died so as not to die of embarassment. They crawled into tunnels and walked point and advanced under fire. Each morning, despite the unknowns, they made their legs move. They endured. They kept humping. They did not submit to the obvious alternative, which was simply to close the eyes and fall. So easy, really. Go limp and tumble to the ground and let the muscles unwind and not speak and not budge until your buddies picked you up and lifted you into a chopper that would roar and dip its nose and carry you off to the world. A mere matter of falling, yet no one ever fell. It was not courage, exactly;the object was not valor. Rather, they were too frightened to be cowards."

~Tim O'Brien

I see survival content in here. Will to live, why do we survive in the face of adversity? O'Brien's point is we are afraid to fall because we have reputations. We are more afraid of judgement from the others.
 
A lot of truth to that. Like many, I was there. We also carried the burden of facing a ungrateful nation on the return home. Some died on dirty back steets in places we were not supposed to be.
 
Perhaps a little of topic of the original post, but for any Vets that read this - Thank you for your service to our Nation.
Thank you for defending our liberty.
Thank you for putting your life on the line.

Thanks for doing all the things we could not understand, or have the capacity to understand unless we fought beside you.
 
This is required reading in the school system I work for. It is a great book and I'm happy when my students are reading it in their English class. In an age when kids are less thankful than in previous years, this book is truly an eye opener.
 
Great book I read this a few weeks after I got out of the Army. That chapter of the book is my favorite. Someof the things he says really hit the nail on the head. Great post!
 
I still sound sour however it was not the whole nation who shunned the Vietnam Vets but when you arrive home to the San Fran area in the late 60's, we saw the worst of the worst who hated the soldiers and the war. Back in the real world, things were not that bad. Again However, It was a poorly planned war which we were never intended to win and had little if anything to gain if we had one. Other than of course to prevent the slaughter if out former allies which our government knew would happen and just didn't care. Will we do it again in Iraq?
 
I read this for a class some years ago. I think its a good read and gives a really good perspectve on te emotional burden of soldiers in war.
 
O'Brien's point is we are afraid to fall because we have reputations. We are more afraid of judgement from the others.

This is one of the saddest and creepiest things you may ever read. When you survive for the sake of the collective, freedom has lost meaning.
 
This is one of the saddest and creepiest things you may ever read. When you survive for the sake of the collective, freedom has lost meaning.

THIS is one of the sadest things I have read. Being a soldier is not about personal freedom. It is about giving up personal freedom for the sake of others.

"The Collective", as you put it, extends to your fellow soldiers upon whom your immediate survival depends, your nation as a whole which includes your parents, wife, children and eventually grandchildren. And yes, even unwilling members of the "collective" like protesters, draft dodgers and their ilk.

Soldiers give up their freedom, sometimes arms, legs, and their lives so that you can exercize your freedom.

Codger
 
Are there sufficient answers to these questions?

I think O'brien is writing from the position of what actually keeps people going in war as he saw it. He saw embarassment was more of a motivator than glory, principles, courage or honor. I think it is profound.
 
I read this and "Going after Cacciato" for a course some years back. I got to have a sit-down with Tim O'Brien as part of the class. He was on tour promoting "The Things they Carried".

A great writer with a delightful turn of phrase. As a lecturer speaking of his experiences in Vietnam...he struck me as a guy still working things out. (At the time, this was 20 years ago)
 
Some points made in earlier posts made me think maybe there is some confusion between RIGHTS and FREEDOM.

I am not sure anyone can take away your freedom. You always have the freedom to choose even if it is between death or whatever other choice.

However, I see RIGHTS as different from freedom. RIGHTS might be the governmental decisions to allow certain things.
 
I still sound sour however it was not the whole nation who shunned the Vietnam Vets but when you arrive home to the San Fran area in the late 60's, we saw the worst of the worst who hated the soldiers and the war. Back in the real world, things were not that bad. Again However, It was a poorly planned war which we were never intended to win and had little if anything to gain if we had one. Other than of course to prevent the slaughter if out former allies which our government knew would happen and just didn't care. Will we do it again in Iraq?

If you don't mind me asking, does the "udt" in your user name stand for "Underwater Demolitions Team"? I've always been in absolute awe of the Teams, and the few I've met were nice guys, not the psychotic killers they're sometimes made out to be.
 
Yes it does. The training sort of prepares you to be either of the above. I like to think that I am a nice guy, now at least.:D

I didn't join the Navy to get into that kind of work but I could out swim the fish back then and sort of got talked into it. In a way the UDT turned into or became the Seal teams although they overlapped for a few years. OH to be in that kind of condition again.
 
This is one of the saddest and creepiest things you may ever read. When you survive for the sake of the collective, freedom has lost meaning.


With all due respect - suggest that anyone who takes the above meaning from the book read the chapter "Speaking of Courage." A great "Homecoming" tale that imho rates with Hemingway's "Soldiers's Home" and Vonnegut's "Miss Temptation."

Not to contradict the gentleman above, but I think O'Brien's main point is that ordinary people often perform in extraordinary ways - and very often do not get the credit they deserve for same. Once unrecognized in public as an individual one is left to seek meaning in the "collective" good, or the quiet recogition of others who have lived similar experiences - because such men have no desire to sell their heroism to the general public.

In short, the true hero of the late 20th century is the antithesis of "look at me" athletic hero. A good lesson for the next generation - and i am very glad that this book is a standard read in AP literature classes across the nation - even with the "hard" language - hey Vets that were in country, did you guys really cus a bunch????

In any event, I have read the book multiple times and strongly suggest it not only as a 'war' book but high end literature. Reads like a collection of great short-stories - my fav is "Sweatheart of the Trang Sa Bang'" [probably mis-spelled that after claiming to have read it a bunch!]. Great book, great post!

Regards.
 
Thank you for your service, udtjim.
I also read this story just this past year, and...I hafta admit, I was unimpressed. The content seemed to concern one of those situations where"you just have to be there". He was ineffective in getting me to feel emotions for the characters, no matter how relevant the story itself was. I am not in the military (though its far from too late for that...), nor have I ever been in combat, and I think that was the audience the story was originally intended for-returning vets, still trying to sort things out.
 
Back in those days the draft was in effect so a guy was bound to go. However My Grandparents had a picture of their son, (My Uncle) in their living room which was taken of him in uniform at Pearl Harbor. I looked at that picture for years and knew that I had to join the Navy. I worked a year after High school then signed up. While I was in Boot Camp I got a letter from my mother and she said I had just got a draft notice in the mail. To late Army.

Thanks for your kind words.
 
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