The Tiny Bowie: A Tirtha Bowie Review {image heavy}

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Being a lover of the unusual and non-traditional yet practical things in my life, I was slowly drawn to Himalayan Imports over the last year or so and it was a journey of no regret. It's also one of irony in that the more I research "high" quality outdoor knives and gears made by reputable companies such as Ka-bar, Cold Steel, Kershaw, EESE, Busse, etc the more I always seem to end up being attracted to the down-to-earth products of Himalayan Imports, mainly because it tickles my sense of desiring to honor crafts done by hand and not by machines. I have my father to thank for such perspective as he's been a construction worker of the old fashion kind for more than 40 years, the kind where solid workmanship build quality is more desired over a house build in less than 1 month; all because dad wanted his work to be trusted, relied on, and to outlast him for years to come. And here I am, writing tonight a review using what I was taught and fostered over the years, the attention to the quality of a craftsmanship that Himalayan Imports has proclaimed was done by hand by various Kamis.

A review of an unusual bowie knife that I have chosen to be my first Himalayan Imports knife, the Tirtha Bowie which I named my Tiny Bowie.

The Tirtha Bowie

I don't have to mention that Auntie has Superman in her back pocket when it comes to delivering Himalayan Imports products since that's already widely known in this community.

I have to admit that when I got the package (a triangular tube) I had not a clue what to expect; pictures are one thing, having it finally in my hands is something else entirely. The package was pleasantly heavy (I like heavy tools) and when I jiggled it back and forth, I could feel something sliding back and forth inside, giving a solid hit at each end. After giggling like a kid on a Christmas morning, I flick out my Kershaw knife and promptly opened up the well taped package (thanks a lot Auntie as it took me a while to open that darn thing without stabbing it with a bigger knife just to get it open :p). Out slides a well wrapped object in heavy duty packaging paper ("Yes yes yes, protect it from shipping" *Mumbles while ripping said paper off my knife!*). Lo and behold! Here's what I found within.

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I was quickly hit by a certain smell that smells rather much like industrial oil of some sort but that was secondary as I pulled out the knife with anticipated joy. I was not disappointed.

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(Note: The image above shows blade being used as I used it for several days before this review. I left it looking used as I liked the "I used this! Bawhaha" look. Will clean it up at a later date.)

Holding it in my right hand, I just stood there enjoying the heavy weight, letting my palm feel the woody handle that has been crusted with metal linings. After spending about 5 minutes feeling the balance and optimal placement of my hand, I did as anyone would; I pretended that there were zombies in living room. Swinging it as I did, I quickly learned that this blade is made for chopping primarily and yet with practice over a period of time, it might be an interesting self defense weapon. But I'm under no stretch of imagination that I have any skills in wielding it in any martial art fashion. This is the kind of blade that you must earn it's respect by observing it's ingrained created characteristics. If you don't, you will get hurt to put it mildly.

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("Foolish human" glares my cat next to my pumpkin experiment)

Tirtha Bowie stat


Overall lenght --17''
Weight -- 27 oz
Spine thickness--1/4''
Chiruwa US Cherry wood handle with brass fitting
Villager fit and finish
Black leather scabbard with brass tip
Done by Tirtha

Tirtha Bowie Up Close and Personal


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Holding it in my hand, I realized one thing about this blade. There are only 2 places on the handle that I can hold onto and feel some sort of balance. First would be right up to the end of the handle towards the blade which will help with the chopping balance while the second location would be directly in the middle of the handle for more nimble movements of the blade. It seems that if I go all the way back to the end of the handle away from the blade, the whole thing becomes unbalanced.

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The Cherry wood handle is such a smooth well done yet very simple work which feels homely in my hand while I was testing the blade out. The pins are all leveled with the wood handle on both sides. I can surely imagine the wood aging gracefully over the years after many outdoor work.

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The spine is one heck of a thick thing, quite thick that I can't imagine what it would take to break this thing at any points on the blade, even the handle is well endowed with plenty of steel despite a tampering towards the end which I do not think is a weakness.

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Using the Cold steel Rajah II as a size reference point, one can appreciate the size of this thing. It gleefully dwarfed the Rajah II and to think I once thought the Rajah II knife was a pleasantly large knife. Well, I have been unceremoniously shown the error of my ways and perceptions. :p

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The blade is such a fun thing to look at, fun to direct and aim. Just watching it bite into wood like a beaver out of hell makes me want to bubble with giggles. But then again, overkill is such a happy coping skill of mine that I don't mind at all! As you can see, the sweet spot of hitting wood with the Tirtha Bowie is towards the end, mostly upon that curve section of the blade. Of course, my aim is not always perfect but that's where I try and aim it at and when I do get it right, boy does it take a chunk out of the wood.

To show how much of a chunk, I'll use the Bowie vs Rajah II with about 7-10 hits each on the same branch (I idiotically didn't think to count as I happily went chopping away with the bowie before I even thought to count...)

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If I want a tree to go down (should it ever be needed), I can see quite clearly that the Tirtha Bowie will get the job done.

The Kami Symbols

Beats me what any of that says. But I do see the beer mug one. The rest, not a clue...

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Cosmetic Flaws

Prior to buying this Bowie, I fully intended to do this review but what I didn't expect to do within this review was go over this blade's unfortunate cosmetic flaws. There are several issues that I'm not all too happy about but I'm happy to say, it wont prevent the Bowie from being a bowie knife. But it does alter how I look at the Tirtha Bowie overall, it's future functions and so on.

First up will be the fact that parts of this blade has been machined and drilled/cut in various places. It has not been done the old fashion way by hand as I was previously under impression such has been done for all Himalayan Imports. The following pictures will show saw-cut lines on both ends of the handles on both sides as well as a drilled hole at the end of the handle.

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Based on my observation, the maker of this blade was in a hurry to make this bowie, so much so that he seem to have decided to use machines to cut the wood handle after it was on the blade on both ends, thus causing saw-cut marks. Then he used a drill of some sort to create the hole at the end of the handle. I wasn't too happy about that kind of attention to the handle, making me wonder why he would approach it that way after all of his other work was shown to be top notch. But that's not the end of it...

The next image shows the brass lining within the handle next to the full tang/Chiruwa. Looking at the handle, I can see how wavy and not quite so linear the brass lining is. One thing the picture cannot show is that on both ends of the Chiruwa handle, the brass lining is out by perhaps half a centimeter more or less, giving my palm an odd sensation that I'm constantly moving my palm over a bladed edge that wont cut. Needless to say, it's slightly unpleasant especially when your hand and blade is in motion and crashing into trees, thus causing the handle to rotate or adjust from the impact.

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The next issue is how he polished the blade. This one is not too big a deal to me at all but in face of the above issues, it only made me wonder...

When I moved the blade in sunlight, the below pictures happens:

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Overall, I cannot but help feel like this Tirtha Bowie has been a rushed job full of half-assed approaches. I took a look at a previous Tirtha Bowie that was up during a Deal of the Day and noticed how much more attention that has been spend into the knife making as shown below.

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So I've come to conclusion that, since I'm well aware that this knife is basically "as is", that this will have to end up as a beater knife since the maker of this blade did not give it his full quality attention as he has done in other blades. I'm not a fan of half-ass approaches by cutting corners, even if it's rushed. That's pretty much how I was raised and one of the main reason why I was attracted to Himalayan Imports in first place; the quality of the Kami's attention to the blades...

Onto happier things! The Sheath

Having always been seeing this kind of sheath in so many pictures, histories, stories, etc I've always been a little "Eh..." over the design, thinking that it's more cosmetic than function. I was wrong. My western thinking was wrong. This thing is full of functions, high quality functions. I can easily see why this design has been around for hundreds of years and to use this saying as an image reference point "fits like a glove" is something that lives up to it quite literally. Never have I came across a sheath that embraces a knife the way this one does. It feels like the sheath is constantly hugging the blade, hugging as in giving affection. The design is doing quite a good job making me feel like I should savor the experience of drawing it out and back in. It's quite surreal.

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I also had my doubt about the brass plating at the tip until I finally had it in my hands and I can see why they're protecting the tip. One is to protect the stitches from the environment and another is because, due to the fact that the blade is heavy and the sheath points downwards with all that weight, the tip is the first to be in contact with anything around it. Just the fact that it's shiny and pretty to look at was probably just a bonus all those hundreds of years.

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I then decided to examine even more closely the physical property of this sheath out of curiosity towards such an exotic item. That's when I noticed that it's in two pieces instead of one!

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Looking closely, I noticed something jutting out and I realized that it was what held the smaller belt loop piece in place.

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Back to the belt loop object, I noticed that it was just as equally well made, a solid entity that seems like it will do it's job quite well for years of heavy use.

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I have new found respect for this Nepalese-style sheaths and never will I again doubt it. Now I'm tempted to preserve it but since I've decided that the Tirtha Bowie is a beater knife, I'll have to treat the sheath the same way and push it's limit to see how far it will go.

The Encore!

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This has been quite the experience from a simple man-made item. As in all things, it had it's own strengths and it's own weaknesses but one thing for certain, it will be a blade that will see years of hard use since it seems it was not of the expected usual high quality Tirtha craftsmanship. But rest assure, it will be a blade no less appreciated and put to good honest use with such a wicked looking blade. I also fully intend to acquire a more "proper" high quality blade from this maker so I am not even close to being done with Himalayan Imports. I will be just more careful and weary from now on.

However in the end, me and my Tiny Bowie will go off into the sunset together!

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Excellent review, OldeWolf. Your enthusiasm shows, and I'm glad you pointed out the blemishes as well as the good points.

It does seem that this was rushed a bit, especially the wavy brass lining under the handle slabs. The brass should have been hammered or pressed flat before the wooden handles were applied. Since the brass liner is essentially a cosmetic feature, it should make the knife look better, not worse. Also, the brass on your knife looks a lot thinner than the liner in your photo of a different example of this model. I'm not sure if there's an easy fix, or if it bothers you enough to take the trouble. If you could find a metallic cement or epoxy to match the color of the brass, you might be able to press it into the gaps to produce a more uniform appearance.

The blade polishing (which doesn't show up very well in the photo) is an easy fix. You can polish the blade to any desired sheen from satin to mirror using progressively finer grades of sandpaper. For mirror finish, rottenstone on a soft cloth will probably do the job, but given the other issues with this knife a uniform satin finish (villager style) might be best. Sandpaper works fine on the soft 5160 steel. Just be sure to tape the edge to protect your hands.

It would also be pretty easy to round off or bevel the rather abrupt ends of the chiruwa handle slabs, unless you prefer it this way. I'd do it with a fine file.

-- Dave
 
Great review! I have to say, I felt much the same way about my Tirtha Bowie's overall details. I noticed marks that appeared to look like they came from a dremel of some sort. The wood on the handle closest to the blade was noticeably uneven and the laha treatment was extremely sloppy. There were also sharp ends of steel near the handle that were unevenly coarse as if they were forgotten in the polishing process. I also noticed the bent wavy brass inner lining and a noticeably uneven fuller. I've fixed what I could with a dremel and file and overall I am pleased with the touch-ups and the final result. I have yet to test the bowie on anything thicker than 1 inch twigs. Although I have cut myself on the top of the blade because it was sharpened. I've seen older pictures of Tirtha Bowies using a google search as well as an older review here on the forums. They looked extremely well made which made me wonder the same as you about a possible rush job. I also own a few other Tirtha made Khuks which are extremely well made so I do have something to compare by. It made me wonder if someone else made the bowie and Tirtha just put his stamp on it because it was his design..

Regardless of the flaws, I keep the bowie close to my side tucked into the corner of my bed frame. It still is one of my favorites despite the rough workmanship it arrived with. I may be tempted again to purchase another Tirtha bowie but I have to really see the pictures and the workmanship on it before pulling the trigger again. The design of the blade just appeals to me.
 
Great review OW. Although Tirtha seems to be the favorite kami, I have found his finish work and QC "wanting" on every knife I own that he has made. In his defense, this is likely because the kamis are not able to keep up with demand-they are human beings practicing a difficult craft under less than ideal conditions(go to the main website and look at the shop photos...).Nearly all knives I have purchased from HI,around 12-13,require 1-3 hours of finish work in my shop to meet my standards,and I do this gladly because they have done the hard work of forging and tempering an excellent and very tough blade that you can rely on,although any thinking person will test his gear before putting it to use.I hope you enjoy your bowie,as I am confident it will serve you well.FYI-I have found the work of Bhakta,Lokendra and Hari to be a step above in fit and finish.
 
I really liked your review, I think it is important to show all aspects good or bad. And I think you did it very tactfully. We all know HI make some powerhouse blades, but we also need to see and hear about some of the issues each of us might have about there personal blades, each of us sees things differently and have a different perspective on quality. I like the fact that these are made by hand and yes sometimes with the help of machines, but if you saw what type of machines they are using to help finish a job it's pretty rudimentary. But I agree with you overall. The bowie looks like it will go to hell and back with you. When I have a user blade I don't mind the blade finish that much I prefer a villager type finish and I use a green scotchbrite pad to keep it clean, it makes a nice satiny finish. Enjoy your blade.
 
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Thanks for the excellent review of your new knife and all the pictures that you included. Sorry that some of the detail work didn't come out as you expected. Being hand-made, and with the kamis probably going from one blade to another in an effort to get out product, I'm sure that something may not get all the attention in the final finishing. Also, the kamis often rely on helpers/assistants to do some of the smaller work while the kamis go on to the important forging work. Not knowing the actual numbers of assistants, it is possible that one assistant is working on finishing blades for more than one kami at any time. Your brass bolsters look as if the came from a roll of brass band that had been simply unrolled and applied to the handle and not beaten flat as should be. That is one of the things about hand-made blades that can happen. It is also a reason why we miss Bura so much, even if he were only overseeing the work at the shop. He would refuse shoddier work going out and we would have to wait longer for product to arrive from Nepal.

But it seems as though you've accepted your new knife, warts and all, and are ready to make a "user" of it. This is good since they have all been made to be used. I wish a long life of use to you and your new bowie and all the future HI products you receive:D.

Peace

Rick
 
Thank you for a most complete and balanced review. Great pictures. I have a Tirtha Bowie on its way that should arrive by the end of the week. Since it was not a DOTD I hope to not have the issue with the wavy brass liners that you had. That would be most disappointing to me as my hopes are high for the details.

Bhakta made my AK Bowie and it is nearly flawless (that I happily shared in another post). The AKB leaves me in awe of what handcrafting can accomplish and I do appreciate it as such. My Tirtha Farm knife is villager fit and finish so it is not a proper comparison in this mix (but it is still very nice).
 
Thank you for all your kind words. I spend an unexpected 3 hours working on this last night (not including pictures), so hopefully something of that shows. :p

I just wish my first HI experience wasn't so polarized as I wanted to give it a full hearty cheer my first time round with a HI product. But that wasn't to be.

Another thing I'm wondering is, why was the Tirtha Bowie more pricey than other blades that had more attention to details and were bigger/longer with apparently higher quality in overall craftsmanship?

Edit: Here's an example "21 inch 38 ounce Chitlangi by Tirtha. Satisal wood handle. Early Valenties's Day gift for you from Tirtha at $95." And it has far more attention to details and craftsmanship and much cheaper to boot. I just don't get it. :confused:

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I think I am going to have to avoid Tirtha's creations for the time being and try my luck on other Kamis (AK Bowie, I'm looking at you. Yes, you). I do fully accept my Tiny Bowie but only because there's no way back, just forward so I will just have to make this Tiny Bowie earn it's keep. Guess I will have to look at this as a "Down to Earth-y" experience in that it effectively grounded my expectations and keeps my thoughts to the realities of how these blades were made. That can be both good and bad, a drawback and a benefit.

My next plan for this Tiny Bowie is to take care of that handle and the pesky brass linings and polish the blade to a shine. Problem is, I'm as clueless about polishing blades as I can be. But for the handle, I think I can manage that on my own without setting my house on fire.

Thanks for taking the time to read my review! It is much appreciated and was fun doing the review. Once I some how managed to get more money, I will acquire another HI blade and do another review and hopefully it will be a more higher quality to review upon. But I wont hold my breath nor hope as high as I once did.
 
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I appreciate the critical aspects of your review, I think a genuine threat to Himalayan Imports fan's credibility is if we all become too fanboyish and refuse to accept that there are flaws in the products we buy. By nature of being handmade, problems like this are much more common than in Beckers or Busse's. It's good to see that people aren't shying away from that, I bought an Everest Katana (which is now in the hands of CrimsonFalcon) which too smacked of being half assed and rushed. Getting a HI product that isn't quite perfect hurts because there's so many pictures of beautiful ones floating around.

I just got a 20" Sirupati DOTD from Tirtha, and I'm quite impressed with it. Other than two tiny cracks in the wooden handle, it's pretty much exactly as I wanted it to be. I don't think this is representative of his normal work.
 
...and polish the blade to a shine. ...

Wolfy, if you're going to make that bowie a user it would probably be easier to just use it and use a Scothbrite on it when cleaning it. You'll wind up with a nice satin finish on your blade. If you really want to keep a high gloss shine on it, you'll probably want to invest in some Flitz or Mothers metal polish.
 
Wolfy, if you're going to make that bowie a user it would probably be easier to just use it and use a Scothbrite on it when cleaning it. You'll wind up with a nice satin finish on your blade. If you really want to keep a high gloss shine on it, you'll probably want to invest in some Flitz or Mothers metal polish.

I can try it with a scotch brite. I'm pretty much open to anything at this point since this is a brand new field and I'm open to learning everything there is. I even carried Tiny Bowie downstairs with me to watch some tv. :p
 
I can definitely agree that some of the kamis don't always seem to take as much time. Most of mine are from Rajkumar, and I haven't seen any F&F issues from him yet, unless that Everest Katana that Misanthropia references was his work. The part that annoys me the most on that is all the gouges from power tools in the bottom of the guard.

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Then again, you run into these issues all the time with custom jobs. I recently received a custom sword from Matt at Baltimore Knife and Sword that came with droopy quillons, grinder gouge marks, uneven plunges, and that's for a full-on custom, on which I spent double what even an expensive HI costs. When I posted up about it, the maker said that he admitted he didn't spend enough time on it; evidently I hadn't spent enough money to earn his full attention. He did offer to fix it up, but it wasn't really worth the extra time, especially cause most of the issues I could clean up easily myself. It's disappointing when it happens, but it does make for fun project knives. I find that full tang HI blades make for fantastic project blades, and they're a lot more cost effective than most other blades out there of similar quality.

I'd certainly prefer to return to the days of perfect F&F on most every blade though.
 
I think imperfections are a given with hand made work. On the other side of the coin, I re-looked at the pictures from the OP and I have to agree, the quality and workmanship in the F&F is poor for that bowie. Mine is similar but I think OP's is worse. I at least am satisfied with my purchase and have made modifications to it's F&F where I don't care too much about how it was when I received it. (not to say OP isn't satisfied). I have a custom YCS from Tirth and it is the most beautiful HI khuk I own IMO. I can't even bring myself to use it even though I specifically asked for it to be built as a user alongside a villager finish. So I know his work can be close to perfection. I own quite a few others and more often than not with all my HI purchases I've been extremely pleased. I have returned a couple though because of flaws that I just could not get past. My recommendation is if you can't get past the workmanship of a purchase, don't put a grinder to it or modify it in any way. Let Yangdu know and send it back. She is very understanding. It's a small part of the reason why I keep on coming back. Customer Service. The larger reason is the disease many of the folks here speak about. :) I still have a handful of must haves on my list as well. I'm just spacing them out now so that I have an excuse to give myself eye candy here.
 
My recommendation is if you can't get past the workmanship of a purchase, don't put a grinder to it or modify it in any way. Let Yangdu know and send it back. She is very understanding. It's a small part of the reason why I keep on coming back. Customer Service.

Yeah that part is true if you ordered a knife of any sort but I was under impression that since it was a Deal of the Day purchase, I receive it "as-is". And by all mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Wolf,

If the DOTD lists a particular defect in the blade, then that's what you're expecting. If not and you're not really happy with what you got, then contact Yangdu and I'm sure that you can work something out.
 
This was exactly the same reason I returned my Farm Knife the quality control (certain kami) was not up to par with my expectations , along the way purchased another , Pen Knife (same kami) and was left disappointed yet again . . . kept the knife and did the needed work , talk to Auntie and asked to have a different kami to work on my M43 (Bhakta) and I tell you it was night and day difference on quality . I have been fortunate on my recent purchases and just tend to stay away
from that certain kami's work and after 2 Seax (Sher & ? forgot- lotus flower), 1 JKM1(Lachu) it's been fine .
 
I had some minor issues with my Tirtha Villager Fit and Finish Farm Knife but Himalayan Imports is also my first real experience with knives that are largely handmade in the ways described on their web site. I have had to readjust my thinking from the expectations of a machine produced product to allow that such handmade items will vary more and have small issues that sometimes are part of the character and attraction of the product. I discussed my concerns with Yangdu and she was more than reasonable in her response to what I raised. I believe that we reached a mutually acceptable resolution. To me that speaks volumes about how Yangdu is running the business. I have faith that legitimate concerns will be addressed fairly if presented in reasonable fashion. I will also always be evaluating a given product while keeping in mind the handmade nature of the products and adjusting my thinking to be realistic and in line with what the product is. That is not to say that high expectations cannot be met. With my AK Bowie I had very high expectations based on past reviews, pictures and the kami who made my knife. Those expectations were exceeded and the pictures speak for themselves. I suppose I might have sounded a bit fan-boy on that AK Bowie but it deserved what I said. On the other hand if I paid full fare for a Tirtha Bowie and received one with those wavy brass liners without up-front disclosure I would certainly raise an issue because that falls under the category of poor workmanship to me. I don’t have issues with some power tool usage but not adequately grinding/polishing out such tools marks could also be questionable – it depends. We are all human and mistakes are made but what matters is how such things are handled once they come to light. I welcome the above sort of level-headed review and hope to see more such honest reviews. To me that provides feedback that is important for the continued success of Himalayan Imports.
 
I think I'm going to have to return this knife back as much as I don't really want to. I don't have the mean to fix the handle, the one with the brass prodding out from all 4 sides (two top, two bottom) as it is a weird feeling grasping the handle regardless on how much I love how the blade looks. Plus it's one thing to use machine in support with handcrafted HI products, it's something else to overuse it in a rush-like approach. I'm all for machines getting the job done ~IF care and attention were involved~. I grew up with a construction father that has been in the business for 40 years so I know how much machines plays a role in our lives.

Part of me feels bad for inconveniencing her with this issue but part of me wants my money's worth because I know full well that I will be putting any HI products to real life use so Kami's attention to a blade can maybe some day mean the difference between life and death (hopefully it wont go that far).

One thing for sure, I'm now a loyal HI customer. I literally check this forum every day and will be buying more for months to come!
 
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