the two-legged predator

I hike the back country trails at Mammothe cave park alot and on the back country trails people are allowed to ride horses. I've ran into several drunks who are riding around the trails on horses with saddle bags full of beer. Most of the time they are cool and just say hello and go on.
However one guy's horse kicked me in the back as I passed it and in the process the guy fell off the horse. Then the rider tried to attack me while I was still on the ground trying to catch my breath. Luckily the people who were with him weren't drinking and managed to talk some sense into him before he managed to actually put his hands on me. Let me tell you after getting kicked in the back by a horse a 2 mile hike out seems more like 10 miles.
 
While trail riding in the desert and mountains of southwestern Idaho, on motorcycles, three of us rode up a small box canyon. We found the remains of several poached deer there. As we turned our bikes around to ride out, an older pickup came up the road and stopped about a hundred yards from us, blocking our exit. Two mangy dudes got out. One retrieved an axe from the bed of the truck, the other a baseball bat, and started up the trail toward us. I turned my bike around so my right side faced them and they could see the Beretta pistol I was carrying. I placed my hand on the top of it like I was resting it – all the while looking at them. They stopped, said a few low words to each other, and turned around. They got back in their truck and drove off. We reported the deer and the incident but they didn't get close enough to see their license plate number.

I never go to the woods unarmed!
 
This didn't happen to me, but occurred in the county I live in. An elderly farmer was out checking fields late one afternoon last year. He noticed a pickup truck parked down the lane in one of his fields and drove down to see what was what. There were two teenage boys there. The farmer got out and asked if they needed some help. At that time, a man came out from behind the truck and attacked the farmer with a knife, nearly cutting off his nose and chasing him into the field where he disembowled him. They then stole his car and left. The farmer, holding his guts in, walked up to where he had a grain truck stored and was able to drive home. They were able to lifewatch him out and he lived. The man was caught, prosecuted and convicted for attempted murder. They had been out driving and poached a deer and were in the process of getting the rack, when they were interrupted. The two boys were the man's sons - they did not know this was going to occur until it happened. This happened in Clay County, Ks. last year. It is the reason I have a firearm under the back seat in the truck.
 
whats with people that are willing to kill somone for poached deer????
It's puzzling to me too. No matter how I weigh it, the gain would never be worth the risk.

But simply, the poachers would rather kill you than get caught and have their trucks and rifles confiscated. Trespassers (including poachers, thieves, and vandals) are among the lowest form of human life... Poachers and trespassers should be approached with extreme caution, if at all.

-Bob
 
where are the good old days you stole a horse they hung you... you poached the owner would shoot you on site.
Now we need to be afraid of walking in the woods so some weed grower wont shoot you cause you seen the weed.

Sasha
 
In high school a friend and I came across a group of young guys camping. We saw at least one 22 rifle. We didn't think much of it, just went around their area. Pretty soon we found ourselves ankle deep in young weed plants. We just kind of looked at one another and headed back out the way we came in.

One of the enterprising young lads popped a warning shot off. Being young dumb and full of vinegar, I turned around like a f*****g movie star and stared him down. I do not recommend this, whether you are armed or not.

If that happened today, I would just scoot. Better, sneak the heck out a different way than I came in.
 
I don't get out and tent camp much , but , we have an actual camp that is
just about at the end of the beaten path. Any one that I don't recognise
( same for the few neighbors there ) that drives past this sign,

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And then this ,

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Is allways suspect. Most times it is someone that got turned around , I give them directions back to the main road. The others , are familly or friends of the neighbors that I didn't recognise. They just kinda nod and smile reasuredly at the Marlin that is always at my side. And know my name allready. Been lucky so far and hope to keep it that way. :thumbup:

Phil
 
good thread for my first post. if i am in the woods or fishing or canoeing,i'm armed.i just dont trust stangers.over the years i've worked with numerous convicted felons at the factory where i work,and being around those types will instill that in you.i think up north's post absolutely hit the nail on the head as far as this topic goes.for years i've kept a .38special in my pocket whenever i'm outdoors weather hunting,fishing, berry picking,etc. i hope i never need it.also if anyone thinks this is paranoia then they've never seen the movie"deliverance".
 
My story is a Little different. I have a horse and hiking trail head only a mile from my house. I hike it about twice a week, most of the time when I hear someone I step off the trail and they never know I was there. I was out doing a fast walk tiring to get a little exercise when I came up on this guy going the other way. At that point in the trail there is a cliff on one side and a river on the other. At about 25 paces this guy raises his walking stick like a baseball bat, and yells at me to not come any closer. This poor Little fellow was visible shaking, skinny as can be but looked to have decent enough close (not a home less person) Anyway he was so pathetic looking that I started to laugh so hard I had to lean against the cliff. this just scared the Little guy more. I finely stopped my laughing enough to tell him that I wouldn't hurt him as long as he didn't try to hit me with his stick. It took me about 10 minuets to talk him in to walking past. The trail is only about 4' wide at that point so he had to get real close to his source of fear (Me). I watched him real close as he went buy, anyone that scared has got a real problem. When he got just past stick swinging range I just couldn't help my self and I said "BOO". Yep it was mean, but you should have seen him run. I couldn't have caught him if I wanted to.
 
Bikermike just think what would have had happend if this poor fellow did have a gun. I would be scared of him more then a biker gang lol. He wont ask any Qs just shoot you and run for his life beliving that you were out to killl him..... Guns are double edge swords, pun intended.
Here comes my other point. The problem with all this is none of us would shoot someone on site cause we are normal people. Well i hope you all are. The bad guy always has an adventage cause it all up to him where it goes and we just react to it. If any one us just shoot someone cause he didnt look right...... guess what you would only see the outdoors in the pics for the next 10-15 years. The best thing to do is what most of you are doing already from reading the posts. Get out of the way of trouble even if it means you have to run away. There is no one way to handle every case. But a gun should be the last thing you go for.

Sasha
 
Bikermike just think what would have had happend if this poor fellow did have a gun. I would be scared of him more then a biker gang lol. He wont ask any Qs just shoot you and run for his life beliving that you were out to killl him..... Guns are double edge swords, pun intended.
Here comes my other point. The problem with all this is none of us would shoot someone on site cause we are normal people. Well i hope you all are. The bad guy always has an adventage cause it all up to him where it goes and we just react to it. If any one us just shoot someone cause he didnt look right...... guess what you would only see the outdoors in the pics for the next 10-15 years. The best thing to do is what most of you are doing already from reading the posts. Get out of the way of trouble even if it means you have to run away. There is no one way to handle every case. But a gun should be the last thing you go for.

Sasha


You are wrong on all counts. A reasonable person does not go looking for trouble; but, there is a line that you cross, and if that happens I would hesitate for a second before putting a bullet in you. For me, it is about defending friends, family, and self from attacks at home (whether a permanent home or at a campsite). Running away is simply not an option there; nor, is it much of a plan of action.

There are alot of truely beautiful locations and places that should be enjoyed by all of us. Some of these carry a small level of risk; and, a mature person either prepares himself to deal with the risk, or chooses to sacrifice their freedom. If you lack the ability to conduct yourself responsibly, to prepare adequately, or to make a decision and accept the consequences; then by all means stay close to home and well under the precieved protective umbrella of the authorities. But, just becuase you lack the ability, does not mean that others suffer from the same weakness. There are plenty of independently minded, freedom loving people out there; and, all of youir freedoms are directly attributable to them.

n2s
 
N2S Im not talking about not fighting back when you need to or let people hurt you or family. Im talking about If you have a choice to get out with out a fight then do it. No i would rather not kill anyone just to prove im not afraid to kill. As for me i got too much to lose if i go to jail. At the end i rather not have to deal with the police Or even worse the lawyers. As you know after the fact some guy sitting in the office who has no idea what you are talking about would tell you that you should have done this or that. While that criminal that you shoot in the ASS ( after all you didnt want to kill but stop him ) get out with a slap on the wrist you are the one that pays the bills.
Its the ofter that worries me the most. Police and the Law that would try and show that they are doing there job by stoping all the gun carrying people. While that guy that started it all and you shoot in the ASS walks free. Now if i had no choice yes i would do what i have to and deal with the rest later. But what makes us people diffrent is that we can think ahead. Im more afraid from going to jail then anything else out there thank you very much, I need the open space as much as i need to breath air.

Sasha
 
N2S Im not talking about not fighting back when you need to or let people hurt you or family. Im talking about If you have a choice to get out with out a fight then do it. No i would rather not kill anyone just to prove im not afraid to kill. As for me i got too much to lose if i go to jail. At the end i rather not have to deal with the police Or even worse the lawyers. As you know after the fact some guy sitting in the office who has no idea what you are talking about would tell you that you should have done this or that. While that criminal that you shoot in the ASS ( after all you didnt want to kill but stop him ) get out with a slap on the wrist you are the one that pays the bills.
Its the ofter that worries me the most. Police and the Law that would try and show that they are doing there job by stoping all the gun carrying people. While that guy that started it all and you shoot in the ASS walks free. Now if i had no choice yes i would do what i have to and deal with the rest later. But what makes us people diffrent is that we can think ahead. Im more afraid from going to jail then anything else out there thank you very much, I need the open space as much as i need to breath air.

Sasha

I completely agree with you, and we share the same concerns. To me the gun is a tool that goes into the kit for when and ,if ever, it is needed. It sits next to the first aid kit, and those other articles which prudent people carry to deal with foreseeable, yet unexpected, and certainly undesired problems.

n2s
 
Ever see that old movie called "Deliverance" in which a young Burt Reynolds plays a hokey version of Jungle Jim? Well, those local hillbillies with their perverted idea of entertainment those city boys ran into were not just the stuff of fiction. There were indeed elements of truth in that movie.

Maybe 30 years ago in this area a young fellow was traveling through here by motorbike on the interstate and he stopped to rest at a designated rest area. His tired, young backside didn't get any rest, though. He was approached by two fellows of a an alternative sexual persuasion who surprised him, pulled a pistol on him, and took turns "having their way with him." He survived that episode, but I'll bet he's carrying a gun right now.

At another time and place in our county I found some nice, fresh, but out of the ordinary things discarded in a secluded place just off a dirt road in the edge of some woods. It appeared to me that they were most of the possessions of someone who was traveling lightly and camping wherever night found him. There was no evidence of foul play, but I have always thought there was a body disposed of in that area, too. Among other things, there was a small tent, an empty gun case, and some clean and neatly folded clothing that appeared to be from somebody recently mustered out of the Navy -- complete with his name on the waistband of the dungarees. Nobody I talked to about this was the least bit interested in investigating it, though. Nobody even cared to look at what I had found. Oh, well...

Our town is near the edge of a major national forest, and every few years some human bones surface in some out of the way place around here. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that these woods are littered with the skeletons of murdered people that will never be discovered.

In a small body of water right beside a secondary highway that runs through the forest the neatly sawn-off hands, arms, feet, and legs of someone were found floating by a trucker who happened to stop there to relieve himself some years back. (What can I say? Guys like to pee in the water!) Naturally, the trucker reported it and the SO investigated it, but to no avail. They were even able to get good fingerprints from the hands, but they were not in the system then. It was decided that no murder could be proven because they lacked the torso and head, and the victim could theoretically have been alive still. That I doubt, but it's just one more cold case among thousands now.

As for four-legged predators, though, many of us have had uncomfortable experiences with feral dogs and have used a gun to remind them they had pressing business elsewhere. I know I have. I was almost "treed" by a huge wild hog once, too.

When I was young and dumb I didn't carry a gun in the woods or on the waters, but now I'm old and smarter and I don't leave home without one.
 
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