The Year is 2015 in Chinese-Occupied New York

[WileECoyote]

You are laying low somewhere in the hills of Central Pennsylvania when your orders come through: you must deliver a package to Resistance forces on the occupied island of Manhattan. PA is still largely in friendly hands, although the Philadelphia shipyards are trashed and occupied by enemy forces attempting to move inland. New Jersey is entirely enemy-held. You must pass through old forests of Eastern PA, cross the Delaware River, move through forested areas of NJ, eventually encountering more and more densely populated areas until your final entry into NYC. You will attempt to blend in with the local populace wherever possible, encountering more Chinese checkpoints as you go on; these may result in pat-downs at the least as metal sensors are not fully deployed yet.

You are carrying some basics: a canteen, leatherman, small flashlight, compass, a few MREs etc, but NO weapon. The Resistance won't be able to aid you during your trek, and much of the local populace may not be reliable.

At the start of your journey you stumble upon a previously undiscovered plane crash site containing the remains of a wealthy knife dealer returning from a show in the year 2005 along with all the best blades available in that year. All are in unusable shape except for one.

Which one would you wish for and why?

 

[Dr. Thor]

If I already had a leatherman, I would wish for a Busse with a 7"-9" blade. Kind of easy to conceal, and handy on a trip through the woods, and not half bad in a fight. For a specific model, I would pick an EU17, or a Magnum EU17.

 

[Peter La]

If I already had a leatherman, I would wish for a Busse with a 7"-9" blade. Kind of easy to conceal, and handy on a trip through the woods, and not half bad in a fight. For a specific model, I would pick an EU17, or a Magnum EU17.

The EU-17 Magnum for me too. It seems everyone likes those bad ass Busses.

 

[Peter La]

This is my own EU-17 Magnum...

 

[Peter La]

 

[Cougar Allen]

Um ... just a suggestion ... rather than naming a particular country and very possibly offending the Bladeforums members who live there and starting an international flame war in a forum that is supposed to be about knives not politics, how about using the edit function to change that to enemy occupied New York?

 

[numberthree]

I'd hope there was a Swisstool to replace the leatherman....

 

[Boats]

You will attempt to blend in with the local populace wherever possible. . .

I couldn't blend in with Atlantic seaboard sissies without first undergoing a castration. I suppose if I had to go. . .

BRKT Gameskeeper, a real bushcraft knife that is more concealable and normal looking than one of those Mad Max machetes.

 

[KaBar]

id take a 806d2

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I couldn't blend in with Atlantic seaboard sissies without first undergoing a castration.

That's easy to say from the far side of a keyboard ... how about stopping by so we can save you the trouble and do your surgery for you?

 

[French Kiss]

Boats, the nurse is waiting, don't be shy

If it's about infiltration (forget about Rambo knives), on my side I'd take a douk-douk , slim enough to fit in a shoe, very easy to conceal, and if the spring breaks you can hammer the handle to make it a fixed blade.

 

[lukaszki]

I wish myself a Randall Model 1, even though I'm not at war...

 

[tnozh]

Now its the Chinese. Again (been there already). How about the Russians? The Japanese? The Colombian drug lords? The Islamists? The terrorists? The Nazis? The Mafia? The child molestors? Heck - the aliens from space?! The Freeeeeennnch and their "devious" leaders!

Is your imagination so limited that you must live in fear of somebody?

 

[A Dogs Best Friend]

I don't know,...just for the sake of imagination. If the Chinese invaded us they would probably invade the "left coast," not the Eastern seaboard states, since they're over that way, anyhow. If it were "Ze French!" they would invade the Gulf Coast, to get Louisiana back. Maybe the Canucks would come streaming over the Northern border with knives in their teeth if we don't buy enough beer. (Hey guys, I like Molson! And Bob & Doug Mackenzie...Eh!) The Mexicans are already here! And I couldn't imagine anybody wanting he East Coast badly enough to invade it...??? And as far as the Central States are concerned, there are just way too many of us backward, right wing redneck types with guns for anyone to parachute in and invade from the center.

 

[migo]

What's the point of the scenario? Isn't it just as easy to ask what your dream knife is? Anyway it's unrealistic, the Chinese won't occupy the states through invasion, they'll just eventually have a population only India can match. If there's actually a real point to it, I'll talk to some friends of mine in Beijing and ask them what kind of knives that the Chinese wouldn't think much of...

 

[TearsofKorah]

Sheesh.. aren't you people reading too much into it? While we're at it we should all stop watching movies, reading fiction and play games...

 

[Boats]

That's easy to say from the far side of a keyboard ... how about stopping by so we can save you the trouble and do your surgery for you?

Don't be so sensitive, it just feeds the stereotype. Since New York and New Jersey are already de facto occupied territory, what are the Chinese even doing in this scenario?

NY and NJ simply don't need communist help on weapons:

New Jersey - Code of Criminal Justice

- 2C:39-3 Prohibited Weapons and Devices...

e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his
possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger,
dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub,
slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with
metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic
knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty
of a crime of the fourth degree.

- 2C:39-1 h. "Gravity knife" means any knife which has a
blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof
by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal
force... p. "Switchblade knife" means any knife or similar
device which has blade which opens automatically by hand
pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
the handle of the knife... u. "Ballistic knife" means any
weapon or other device capable of lethal use and which can
propel a knife blade.

- 2C:39-4. Possession of weapons for unlawful purposes...
d. Other weapons. Any person who has in his possession any
weapon, except a firearm, with a purpose to use it
unlawfully against the person or property of another is
guilty of a crime of the third degree.

- 2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons... d. Other weapons.
Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other
weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for
such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of
the fourth degree.
- - e. Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions...
(2)Any person who knowingly possesses any weapon enumerated
in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection r. of N.J.S.2C:39-1
or any components which can readily be assembled into a
firearm or other weapon enumerated in subsection r. of
N.J.S.2C:39-1 or any other weapon under circumstances not
manifestly appropriate for such lawful use as it may have,
while in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any
school, college, university or other educational institution
without the written authorization of the governing officer
of the institution is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.




- 2C:39-6. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5
shall be construed to prevent... (2) A person carrying a firearm
or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State
for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided
that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting
or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession
a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing,
a valid fishing license;

(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:
(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or
fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid
hunting or fishing license; or



- 2C:39-9. d. Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to
be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of
any weapon including gravity knives, switchblade knives,
daggers, dirks, stilettos... is guilty of a crime of the
fourth degree.

- 2C:39-9.1... Any person who sells any hunting, fishing,
combat or survival knife having a blade length of five
inches or more or an overall length of 10 inches or more
to a person under 18 years of age commits a crime of the
fourth degree...

New Jersey Case Law:
- "Concealment was not a necessary element of the offense of
carrying a dangerous knife." (1973)
- "Concealment of weapon at time of incident constituted
important factor of offense of possession of dangerous
knife." (1971)

 

[Boats]

New York's was so long because they allow NYC to make up all kinds of crap, I needed a second post just to lay out the full chorus of baaing.

New York - Penal Law Section 265.01. A person is guilty of
criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:
(1) He possesses any firearm... gravity knife, switchblade
knife, pilum ballistic knife, cane sword...
(2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor,
stiletto... or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or
weapon with the intent to use the same unlawfully against
another; or...
(5) He possesses any dangerous or deadly weapon and is not a
citizen of the United States...
- Section 265.00 4. "Switchblade knife" means any knife
which has a blade which opens automatically by hand
pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
the handle of the knife. 5. "Gravity knife" means any
knife has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device. 5-a. "Pilum ballistic knife" means any knife which
has a blade which can be projected from the handle by hand
pressure applied to a button, lever, spring or other
device in the handle of the knife.
- 265.04. It shall be unlawful for any person under the age
of sixteen to possess any... dangerous knife... A person
who violates the provisions of this section shall be
adjudged a juvenile delinquent. [Found unconstitutionally
vague by Superior Court, 1982; finding reversed by Court
of Appeals, 1983]
- Section 265.10... 1. Any person who manufactures or causes
to be manufactured... any switchblade knife, gravity
knife, pilum ballistic knife... is guilty of a class A
misdemeanor... 4. Any person who disposes of any of
the weapons, instruments or appliances specified in
subdivision one of section 265.01, except a firearm, is
guilty of a class A misdemeanor, and he is guilty of a
class D felony if he has been previously convicted of any
crime.
- Section 265.15 Presumption of possession... 2. The presence
in any stolen vehicle of any weapon... specified in
sections 265.01... is presumptive evidence of its
possession by all persons occupying such vehicle... 3. The
presence in an automobile, other than a stolen one or a
public omnibus, of any firearm... gravity knife,
switchblade knife... is presumptive evidence of its
possession by all persons occupying such vehicle...
except... (a) if such weapon... is found upon the person
of one of the occupants therein; b) is such weapon... is
found in an automobile which is being operated for hire by
a duly licensed driver... then such presumption shall not
apply to the driver...

New York Case Law:
- Knife... was not a "gravity knife"... even though blade of
knife could be released from its sheath by flick of the
wrist; in order to lock blade of knife in open position,
two additional steps were required... (1989).
- Butterfly or "Balisong" knife, a folding knife with a split
handle, did not have blade released by force of gravity or
application of centrifugal force, and did not constitute a
"gravity knife"... (1987).
- "A bayonet was within class of weapons designated as 'any
other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon'.... (1937)
- "Under rule of ejusdem generis [of the same kind]... an ice
pick was a 'dangerous weapon'... (1948)
- "Evidence that defendant wielded butcher knife in presence
of others was sufficient to support charge..." (1987)
- "...possession of knife 15 to 18 inches long was legally
sufficient to establish prima facie case of carrying
dangerous weapon as felony..." (1963)
- "Accused's possession of knife in case attached to his
belt, with long handle protruding and case sheathing blade
concealed inside accused's trousers, did not constitute
violation... absent evidence of design on accused's part
to use the knife unlawfully." (1974)
- "That parolee was found in possession of straight razor
could not, without more, establish his possession of
dangerous instrument or deadly weapon..." (1981)
- "The possession of a razor by a barber for use in his
trade, even if it was on his person, was not within...
this section." (1914)
- "Paint brush found in possession of a housepainter while on
his way home from work was not the kind of instrument
covered by... this section, prohibiting the carrying of a
dangerous weapon." (1962)

NEW YORK CITY LAWS:


Office of the Queens District Attorney of Queens County
Queens Criminal Courts Building
125-01 Queens Blvd.
Kew Gardens NY 11415

Cover letter:

As per your request the law strictly prohibits a person from
carrying any type of knife with a blade of 4" or over (Four) in
length. Enclosed is a copy (highlighted) of the statute.

Signed: Mary A. Moris A.D.A



Chap. 1 Public Safety 10-133

Historical Note

Formerly 436-5.1

10-133

Possession of knives or instruments.

A.

Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that possession
in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a
menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people
of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of
such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides,
robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the
city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of
crimes and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and
gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places,
streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose
is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence
and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and
welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or
carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives
are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and
threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

B.

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or
have in such person's possession, in any public place, street or park
any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

C.

It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park
to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any
knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is
actually using suck knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in
subdivision d of this section.

D.

The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this sections shall not
apply to (1) persons in the military service on the state of New York
when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to
regulations issued by the chief of stall to the governor; (2) police
officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law;
(3) participants in special events when authorized by the police
commissioner (4) persons on the military or other service of the
United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law;
or (5) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in
violation of this section when such a knife (a) is being used for or
transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for
hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment,
trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or
(b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill
team, military or para military unit or veterans organization, to
from or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice
for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of suck
knife or (c) is being transported directly to or from a place of
purchase in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife
while it is transported; or (d) is displayed or carried by a duly
enrolled member of the Boy or Girl scouts of America or similar
organization or society and such display or possession is necessary
to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

E.

Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of
not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not
exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine and imprisonment.



Case notes

This section promotes a legitimate governmental objective and is
not unconstitutionally vague or an improper exercise of the city's
police power.------ People v Ortiz 125 Misc. 2d 318 [1984]

10-134

Prohibition on sale of certain knives

A.

Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that the
possession on public places, streets and parks of the city of folding
knives which lock upon opening, is a menace to the public health,
peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the
possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has
resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings
and assaults of and upon the people of the city, that this condition
encourages and fosters the commission of crimes, and contributes
to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that is this
situation is not addressed, then there is a danger of an increase in
crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace,
safety and welfare. It has been found that folding knives with a
blade of four (4) inches or more that locks in an open position are
designed and used almost exclusively for the purpose of stabbing or
threat thereof. Therefore for the safety of the city, such weapons
should be prohibited from sale within the jurisdiction of the city of
New York.

B.

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale within the
jurisdiction of the city of New York any folding knife with a blade
length of four or more inches which is so constructed that when it is
opened it is locked in an open position and cannot be closed
without depressing or moving a release mechanism.

C.

Exempt from this section are imported and exporters or merchants
who ship or receive locking folding knives, with a blade length of
four or more inches, in bulk, which knives are scheduled to travel
or have traveled in the course of international, interstate, or
intrastate commerce to a point outside the city. Such bulk
shipments shall remain in their original shipping package,
unopened, except for inspection and possible subdivision for
further movement in interstate or intrastate commerce to a point
outside the city.

D.

Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of
not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) or by
imprisonment not exceeding sixteen days (16) or both such fine and
imprisonment. Any person violating this section shall be subject to
a civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollar for each violation.

Therefore, I stand by what I said, and it was TIC, not necessarily aimed at anyone here, but the general political environment of the states one is asked to travel in the scenario. If anyone is offended, change the perception of your now degenerate states.

 

[madcap_magician]

What are you all talking about? It was an entirely rhetorical question, I think he just threw in "Chinese" as the first possible opponent he could think of. I'm Chinese, and that doesn't offend me!

I would take a lightsaber.

But since I can't have a lightsaber because there is no 2005 model, I'm thinking a simple Ontario AF survival knife would be about as good as I'm going to get.

 

[WileECoyote]

Those Busse photos are terrific! My guess is, though, that a perfunctory pat-down would reveal their presence pronto (aliteration!).

What's a douk-douk? Any pics?

That Bark River seems like you're barking up the right tree!

Any votes for SERE Operator on the production side, or Bud Nealy on the custom?