Theft by deception

wolfmann601

Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
Feedback: +12 / =0 / -0
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
7,385
Sadly, there are [trades and sales] that go bad. NOT due to any error on the part of the shipping folks, but due to a PURPOSEFUL ACT on behalf of one party to steal the property or money of the other party.
If it did NOT include E-mail promises of delivery methods, details of WHEN and how they were to be shipped, and then the IMPRESSION the item in FACT is in transit; this is the same as walking into someone's HOME and just taking a KNIFE, minus the DECEPTIVE impression that an actual transaction has taken place.

THEN, after some period of time, the [Victim] discovers that his side of the [trade or sale] has NOT arrived, or an EMPTY package arrives, or something MUCH different than agreed upon arrives. Initially, this is a PURE civil issue and the appropriate redress would be in [generally] Small Claims Court.

THERE are quite a few Attorneys that are knifeknuts who ARE reading this right now. JUMP in if ANY of the above is NOT accurate. This [trade or sale] changes it's complextion upon the VICTIM making inquiry about the staus of his end of the "deal" and is TOLD INTENTIONALLY something VERY false in order for the Non-Victim to be unjustly enriched. IN SHORT, ONE guy ends up with two knives, the other's MONEY, or has sent a $50.00 POS for a NICE Custom piece.

THIS has nothing to do with "knife dealing etiquitte". WE can debate that some other day. This has to do with the REALITY of being [SCAMMED]

SOME formites just plain HATE this and have the time, knowledge, and NATIONAL LE connections to help bring this matter to FINAL Justice. CAN these folks, who have extented a helping hand, provide the actual solution to the problem? NO, not in a REAL sense, but these folks sure do know how the [system] works and in the final anaylsis of this "deal gone bad" can certainly help to provide circumstantial evidence to YOU, the JURY of OUR PEERS, in making that decision if a REAL SCAM did take place.

So, what is so wrong with extending that helping hand to get to the end of a pissing contest and have some REAL solid evidence to either make a knowledged decision whether YOU want to have any dealing with this person, or if really victimized, take this to the next level; a Law Enforcement Agency to have Justice administered the American way.

IF we all joined together, those who "visit" here to cheat, lie and decieve will NOT be able to remain long:( :( ;) .............Ira
 
Ira,

I agree. I've enjoyed trading, buying, and selling knives here along with swapping emails with people all over the world. I enjoy sending someone an extra 5 bucks because they held the knife until payday so I could buy it. I enjoy paying to bump up shipping on my end so they get their knife before the weekend. I have received some great deals and given some in return. It's not all about the best deal, it's having fun with people who enjoy the same things you do.

We can't allow a few bad apples to spoil the barrel. Yes, I'm a dreamer. I think the good guys can prevail. I think we should stand behind our friends and help whenever we have the time, talent, or ability.

Mark
 
my very first deal on BFC went bad.Sent the guy a check and never heard from him again.wasn't answering email or phone.after about a month I called the local sherriff in the town he lived in,told him the story,sent him copies of the check and emails.4 days later the knives arrived priority mail.Sherriff said he knew the guy,local troublemaker.hope this helps somebody.
 
Ya know... there are enough of us spread out that we can always "stop by" and check on a bad deal... it always seems to "grease the skids" when a 6" 200 lb ugky gorilla who looks like Nick Yemana drops by to ask "Bobby" why he is trying to pull a fast one. I happened to have a USMS buddy who dropped by on a "deal gone south" for me and just a physical presence caused Mom to tell little Bobby to quit screwing around on the computer and give Deputy Rick Copfish's knives. :)
 
There is nothing wrong with what you want to do Ira. It is just that I am flabbergasted by the your generousity. I guess that it is something that I am just not used to. You are a good man.
 
In other other post Ira you said "Next?"

I'm gathering info and I've got a bunch of emails to forward you. If I could only get someone to do my real job so I'd have more time....
;)

Mark
 
ALL we HAVE to do is work as a TEAM and every punk who stops at BF to steal, lie and cheat will only find PURE HELL.

I have an awful lot of time on my hands so I am in a better position than the OTHER VERY PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONALS. I do this to feel like I belong, to feel whole again, to use some of that Education, training and experience gathered over the last 26 years.

I certainly DO NOT KNOW IT ALL, or KNOW IT BETTER than others RIGHT here.
We have lots of Cops, Lawyers, judges, Makers, Plumbers, Collectors, engineers, etc.on BF WE ALL SHARE TWO COMMON TRAITS/INTERESTS.

WE that truly want to be part of BF are HONEST
WE ALL LOVE KNIVES

SO, WHY let some snake ENTER OUR TOWN and become a comfortable TOWN-PUNK. Let's all help each other keep BF as "crime-free" as possible.

BF is a NATION OF MEN, NOT of LAW. SOCIETY is the other way. With the moderators "moderating" and the Big-Guns of BF watching the slime-bags, we can all enjoy a much greater level of safety in our Knife wheeling and dealing...

BUT, Until we catch up to a few PUNKS (hate that term)"CRIMINALS", I am available to help, and am doing so. Because I want to. Once we nail SIMON, hopefully those that come to BF to be CRIMINALs, will not stay long...................................Ira
Merry XMAS

and OUPA, I still await word on being a full-fledged BASTID!!!:(
 
Back
Top