There is always room for improvement! 💪🏼

Blew my back out and injured myself for life doing deadlifts in high school at the ripe age of 15. 1 time is all it took. 1 ruptured disk and 2 partially ruptured disks, with degenerative disc disease to follow the rest of my life. At my best, I was 6’2”, 215lb. and could do 10 rep sets of my core lifts equaling at least my own body weight (squat (435) bench(215), and clean and jerk(225). But I never experienced the overall strength I should have had due to my back injury. I spent a lot of time committed to the gym in high school, and liked it quite alot. I played football and was recruited for college ball my freshman-junior years until I tore my rotator cuff and separated the same shoulder in a 7 week period. After all of the that, the letters stopped coming. Anyway, there are safer ways to build overall body strength and such. Clean and jerk is a really good overall physical fitness lift, and it’s much safer for you when trying to preserve your body from injury. Just my 2 cents. I wish I were able to do 1 rep of squat at 415 now, much less 10, and the same for the other lifts.

Time has a way of forcing us to be honest with ourselves. It cuts away all of the fat from the romantic memories of our youth and reminds us that from dust we came and dust we shall return.

Cheers, to all of you who defiantly push the hands of time backwards with all of your might! Your spirit will never die!
 
Agreed, the C&J can be safer, given the reduced load. I think that it's the bottom portion of the deadlift that holds the greatest potential for danger, since that is when the hip hinge is at its mechanically weakest position. And with a C&J you are ipso facto using sub maximal deadlift loads, avoiding that pitfall altogether.

I believe the deadlift is a perfectly safe lift, as long as one approaches it with humility and appreciation of the potential risks. In my late 20s I had dreams of one day deadlifting 585. I went for a PR deadlift when I was about 29 or 30, of 420, and blew my back out, by pulling too hard against a weight I wasn't ready for. It broke the floor, felt super heavy, but I didn't quit. The result was nasty. I wasn't quite laid up, but I definitely took half a year off my training progress. If I did that now, I'd be off for two years. I eventually came back and hit it, and 425, but never went past that. 405 always felt heavy, even when I did it for a triple. I contented myself with keeping it well under my 1RM PR from then on.
 
Agreed, the C&J can be safer, given the reduced load. I think that it's the bottom portion of the deadlift that holds the greatest potential for danger, since that is when the hip hinge is at its mechanically weakest position. And with a C&J you are ipso facto using sub maximal deadlift loads, avoiding that pitfall altogether.

I believe the deadlift is a perfectly safe lift, as long as one approaches it with humility and appreciation of the potential risks. In my late 20s I had dreams of one day deadlifting 585. I went for a PR deadlift when I was about 29 or 30, of 420, and blew my back out, by pulling too hard against a weight I wasn't ready for. It broke the floor, felt super heavy, but I didn't quit. The result was nasty. I wasn't quite laid up, but I definitely took half a year off my training progress. If I did that now, I'd be off for two years. I eventually came back and hit it, and 425, but never went past that. 405 always felt heavy, even when I did it for a triple. I contented myself with keeping it well under my 1RM PR from then on.
Whole heartedly agree. My injury occurred at the bottom position of my deadlift.
 
Blew my back out and injured myself for life doing deadlifts in high school at the ripe age of 15. 1 time is all it took. 1 ruptured disk and 2 partially ruptured disks, with degenerative disc disease to follow the rest of my life. At my best, I was 6’2”, 215lb. and could do 10 rep sets of my core lifts equaling at least my own body weight (squat (435) bench(215), and clean and jerk(225). But I never experienced the overall strength I should have had due to my back injury. I spent a lot of time committed to the gym in high school, and liked it quite alot. I played football and was recruited for college ball my freshman-junior years until I tore my rotator cuff and separated the same shoulder in a 7 week period. After all of the that, the letters stopped coming. Anyway, there are safer ways to build overall body strength and such. Clean and jerk is a really good overall physical fitness lift, and it’s much safer for you when trying to preserve your body from injury. Just my 2 cents. I wish I were able to do 1 rep of squat at 415 now, much less 10, and the same for the other lifts.

Time has a way of forcing us to be honest with ourselves. It cuts away all of the fat from the romantic memories of our youth and reminds us that from dust we came and dust we shall return.

Cheers, to all of you who defiantly push the hands of time backwards with all of your might! Your spirit will never die!
My story is actually the flipside of yours.

Even at my peak when I was younger, I neglected deadlifts, because I didn't like how they felt.

I knew I was supposed to do them, because they were one of the core lifts, but because I didn't like how they felt, I never worked on my form to push myself with deadlifts. I'd just do 10 reps at 205lbs (because it was easier to slide a 35lb plate on the end, than a 2nd 45) for 3 sets and call it good.

A little over a decade ago, I'd just returned from a trip, and as I went to set my bag where I normally would, there was something in the way. Instead of setting the ~50lb bag down, and moving the object, I made the stupid move of leaning over it, to put the bag down, which I had to lean sideways to do. Felt the pop and knew I'd messed up. Gave myself a slipped disc (fortunately didn't rupture it).

That slipped disc progressively got worse over the years, to the point it would literally slip out of place multiple times every single day.

I was fortunate that when it slipped out, it slipped out backwards, away from the spinal cord, so I didn't have the pain and numbness some people experience when a slipped disc impinges on the spinal cord.

I was also always able to manipulate the disc back into place with 100% success. It usually took anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds of careful manipulation, but I could always get it back in.

Even while it was out of place, because it didn't impinge on the nerves/spinal cord, I could still walk, and even run if I had to. It just stiffened my lower back (and it could not just be felt, it was a clearly visible bump when it was out of place).

I would also instinctively round my lower back when I felt it slip out of place, knowing that arching my back with the disc out of place, risked pinching it, resulting in a herniated/ruptured disc.

I also knew that rounding my lower back put the spinal erectors in a vulnerable state, where they could be strained much more easily.

That wound up happening in 2020, while I was doing goblet squats wearing the 140lb weighted vest and holding an 80lb dumbbell.

I felt the disc slip out at the bottom of the 4th rep, and knew I was in trouble. I carefully put the dumbbell down, but at the bottom of the squat, my thighs covered the wasitbelt, so I couldn't even try to remove the weighted vest. I also didn't dare to try something like falling backward, with that disc out of place.

Simply standing back up with the 140lb vest, ended up straining my back with the disc out of place.

I decided at that point, that I needed to see if it was possible to rehab and strengthen my back enough, to at least reduce the frequency of that disc slipping out.

I realized if it slipped out again at an inopportune time, that it could very well result in a serious injury.

I'd been avoiding deadlifts and anything that stressed my lower back ever since the injury, but obviously that wasn't working, so I figured I needed to work on strengthening it, and deadlifts are one of the most common lifts for that.

When my back finally recovered from being strained, I decided to begin. Loaded one 45lb plate on each end, reasoning that I'd been doing goblet squats with 220lbs, so deadlifts with 135lbs should be fine. Nope.

I slowly eased into the lift, and before it ever left the ground, my back was already telling me, "Hey dumbass. Keep pulling and you're going to win a ride in an ambulance".

I had to start from the ground up, doing back raises laying on the ground, and beginning with bodyweight ass-to-grass squats to work on hip flexibility to allow me to get low while keeping my back straight.

Then I measured the handles of the Powerblock Pro dumbbells and went to the home improvement store, measuring everything from cinder blocks, to patio blocks, and wood, until I found wood blocks that would place the dumbbell handles at the same height as a barbell with 45lb plates.

Began doing deadlifts with 10lb dumbbells, then 20lbs, then 30lbs. When I could do 5 reps with a pair of 70lb dumbbells, I figured, "OK, that's 140lbs. I should be able to switch to the barbell".

Tried ONE rep at 135lbs with the barbell. Nope. Having the bar in front of my shins put a lot more stress on the lower back vs beside my legs where I'd been starting with the dumbbells.

Back to the dumbbells, until I could do 5 reps with 80lb dumbbells. When I tried the 135lb barbell this time, I managed to get all 5 reps.

From there, I kept at it. When I got to 215lbsx5, I actually laughed, because it was literally a PR for me, since I'd never done more than 205lbs before.

By the time I was doing 5 reps at 225lbs, the disc was only slipping out maybe twice a week, vs several times every day.

Between 275lbsx5, and 295lbsx5, I realized the disc hadn't slipped out in months.

Got up to 375lbsx5 @ 180lbs bodyweight, when the abdominal hernia happened in February, not from lifting, but from coughing and choking while drinking a glass of water too quickly.

Haven't really pushed the deadlifts since, but I did 335lbsx5 pretty easily a few weeks ago. (I realized that even though I haven't regularly been doing deadlifts specifically, the last couple months, I still do 4 sets of dumbbell shrugs every week, and realized that simply picking up the 150lb dumbbells from the floor, meant I was doing deficit deadlifts with 300lbs and a 4" deficit. The dumbbell handles are centered about 5" from the ground).

Surgery scheduled next week, and the restrictions are not to lift anything more than 15lbs for 6 weeks (yes, I've been continuing to lift and push with the hernia 😅 Abdominal hernias aren't as bad as inguinal/testicular).

I'll see where I am after the recovery, and take it from there. The disc hasn't slipped out in a couple years, now, and deadlifts have allowed me to rehab my back injury.
 
Two days in a row deadlifting nearly up to 70% of my all time PR, without having deadlifted all year? Check.
Less than five hours sleep? Check.
Sore, as expected?
....
Ahem. Sore as expected?


Hmmm, my over 40 seems to be malfunctioning. I'll take it.
 
Before the shop five superset rounds with no rest other than a few breaths

5 x 2/3 185 lb deadlifts/dips

Getting close to coffee break. Maybe I’ll record my hill repeats today. One of the few times I’m in public wearing shorts.

A bit of soreness crept in while hunching over the dremel half the day. Tonight later I’ll see if that 295 goes up. I should be sore for real tomorrow.

I like dips better than push-ups because I press my whole bodyweight. I remember reading either some Olympic lifters or power lifters use dips to assist overhead strength.
 
Also, 150+ grams of protein is a lot.


I'm trying to get.. .75 gms per lb body weight, mostly just eating healthy. I am using a powder mix at breakfast. I'm having to adjust my diet quite a bit to get the rest.

I gave up doing anything that requires that sort of method. If I can’t sustain it with how I eat, give or take a bit, I’m not doing it because it’s…





…wait for it…



Not sustainable.




My metabolism has definitely slowed down, but I still eat like my tapeworm has a tapeworm. Sounds like I am (or was) built like you were. Are? Am?

Adding yet more to this intake means
1- I need to shit all the time,
2- it’s really frigging expensive, and
3- whatever meat I’ve managed to create on my skinny frame will only turn to flab the moment I invariably hurt myself by working out too hard.

Vicious cycle.

I’ve seen this show before, and I’m not watching it again. So, I’ll work within my means, and focus on making what I’ve got not suck. Ages ago, like every other dumbass on the planet, I did the P90x thing. My narrow ass packed on 20 pounds in 60 days, but I was consuming everything. EVERYTHING. Flats of cans of tuna, canned chicken, whey protein garbage, entire boxes of cereal… easily over 8000 calories a day. Nuked my back doing (off all things) the stupid yoga routine in the program. 😖

Then I had to deal with getting rid of all that mass that shifted to flab while I recovered from the back injury. Never again.
 
I gave up doing anything that requires that sort of method. If I can’t sustain it with how I eat, give or take a bit, I’m not doing it because it’s…





…wait for it…



Not sustainable.




My metabolism has definitely slowed down, but I still eat like my tapeworm has a tapeworm. Sounds like I am (or was) built like you were. Are? Am?

Adding yet more to this intake means
1- I need to shit all the time,
2- it’s really frigging expensive, and
3- whatever meat I’ve managed to create on my skinny frame will only turn to flab the moment I invariably hurt myself by working out too hard.

Vicious cycle.

I’ve seen this show before, and I’m not watching it again. So, I’ll work within my means, and focus on making what I’ve got not suck. Ages ago, like every other dumbass on the planet, I did the P90x thing. My narrow ass packed on 20 pounds in 60 days, but I was consuming everything. EVERYTHING. Flats of cans of tuna, canned chicken, whey protein garbage, entire boxes of cereal… easily over 8000 calories a day. Nuked my back doing (off all things) the stupid yoga routine in the program. 😖

Then I had to deal with getting rid of all that mass that shifted to flab while I recovered from the back injury. Never again.

I read an interview that Chris Hemsworth was in where he talked about the work he did for his most recent Thor movie. He is a naturally lean guy so the amount of food he had to consume in order to build that kind of mass was ungodly and straight up not meant for mere mortals. All that work for just a few days of shooting, then he promptly went back to his normal size.

Look at pictures of athletes and strong men in the 19th century - fit, healthy (as much as one could be in the 1800s), and strong as shit, yet they didn't look anything like fitness bros do today. The sort of physiques we are supposed to chase these days is nothing short of bonkers.

Not a knock on anyone who is chasing Adonis, of course. Everyone's fitness goals and priorities are different and certainly a personal choice.
 
I gave up doing anything that requires that sort of method. If I can’t sustain it with how I eat, give or take a bit, I’m not doing it because it’s…





…wait for it…



Not sustainable.




My metabolism has definitely slowed down, but I still eat like my tapeworm has a tapeworm. Sounds like I am (or was) built like you were. Are? Am?

Adding yet more to this intake means
1- I need to shit all the time,
2- it’s really frigging expensive, and
3- whatever meat I’ve managed to create on my skinny frame will only turn to flab the moment I invariably hurt myself by working out too hard.

Vicious cycle.

I’ve seen this show before, and I’m not watching it again. So, I’ll work within my means, and focus on making what I’ve got not suck. Ages ago, like every other dumbass on the planet, I did the P90x thing. My narrow ass packed on 20 pounds in 60 days, but I was consuming everything. EVERYTHING. Flats of cans of tuna, canned chicken, whey protein garbage, entire boxes of cereal… easily over 8000 calories a day. Nuked my back doing (off all things) the stupid yoga routine in the program. 😖

Then I had to deal with getting rid of all that mass that shifted to flab while I recovered from the back injury. Never again.
Muscle doesn't 'turn into flab/fat. You can lose muscle and gain fat concurrently, but one doesn't turn into the other.

When I've had to take breaks (whether due to injury, illness, schedule/time constraints), I simply cut my calories (while maintaining high protein intake, to try to retain as much of the lean muscle as possible).

I'll be doing this after the surgery next week, as I'm supposed to take it easy for 6 weeks, and avoid lifting anything heavier than 15lbs. Depending on how I feel with cardio, I may have to cut my daily calories by 700-1000 calories, simply to account for the calories not burned in the workouts I'll be skipping.

Might attempt a PSMF (Protein Sparing Modified Fast) to use those weeks to see if I can cut my bodyfat percentage even lower.
 
Muscle doesn't 'turn into flab/fat.

You’re 3/4” right. It doesn’t turn into fat, that’s impossible. It does turn into flabby muscle that the longer is goes untrained the less useful and shapely it becomes while still tricking your body into wanting the calories to sustain it.
 
Matt Gregory after a hard workout session wrapping traditional Japanese inspired customs...


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I read an interview that Chris Hemsworth was in where he talked about the work he did for his most recent Thor movie. He is a naturally lean guy so the amount of food he had to consume in order to build that kind of mass was ungodly and straight up not meant for mere mortals. All that work for just a few days of shooting, then he promptly went back to his normal size.

Look at pictures of athletes and strong men in the 19th century - fit, healthy (as much as one could be in the 1800s), and strong as shit, yet they didn't look anything like fitness bros do today. The sort of physiques we are supposed to chase these days is nothing short of bonkers.

Not a knock on anyone who is chasing Adonis, of course. Everyone's fitness goals and priorities are different and certainly a personal choice.
Standards have certainly changed over the decades.

Things have swung to the extreme ends significantly further. When you look at photos of crowded beaches up until the 70s and early 80s, most people were pretty lean/slim.

You didn't really see the extremes of super jacked men (and women), and you also didn't see a whole lot of folks in the ~300lb range.

Likewise, when the 007 movie From Russia With Love came out in 1963, this scene was meant to illustrate how imposing Robert Shaw was, as one of the foes Bond faced.


Standards for movie bad guys have changed so far, this scene, with a bad guy displaying this physique in a movie nowadays, would result in moviegoers thinking, "This is the scary, bad guy? Really?". You can see dozens of guys with more imposing physiques in any decent gym nowadays.

If you look at Schwarzenegger when he won Mr Olympia, he wouldn't even place in bodybuilding nowadays. Not big enough, and 'too soft'. As competitors have continued striving to outdo each other, the extremes have gotten ever crazier.

That said, though, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have those goals. As the thread title says, "There's always room for improvement".

Even though my goal now, is to see how close I can get back to my peak strength, and overall physical levels, I no longer really care about the numbers and bragging rights. The goal is progress and improvement, while I can still make progress, and see improvement.

If I can do more reps with the same weight, or more weight for the same reps, than last week/month/year, I'm making progress.
 
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