thicker stock on s30v vs. 420hc blades?

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so randomly watched some videos, found this maybe an Irish or British fella talking about s30v drop point 110 being thicker stock and not being a good slicer due to steel thickness compared to a standard clip point 420hc 110.

I've never noticed a decrease in cutting performance in drop vs. clip point or s30v vs. 420hc due to stock thickness. not sure that's even accurate but I've never measured or found a need to. who knows if there is any truth to this thicker stock used for s30v steel on a 110?

video is posted for ref, but it's kinda long and draggy.....dont need to watch it as I summed it up enough to his belief on the topic. thoughts? thanks.

 
I know the old 60s blades were thinner, but that's long ago.

Might there be any difference in the blade geometry?
 
Der Verminator said:
I know the old 60s blades were thinner, but that's long ago.

Might there be any difference in the blade geometry?
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not sure? maybe a deeper hollow grind on clip vs. drop or when made in different steels? i doubt it though. Mak said same thickness, so cant be stock thickness on moderns. maybe there is nothing there and this fella is just overthinking?
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
IDK, I seem to be able to cut myself no matter the blade shape or the type of steel.....:D:D:D:D
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true. dont cut myself :)but never noticed anything wrong with stock thickness or cutting ability myself either.

Makael said:
Specs online show both the same at .120.
Im suprised some people can operate a camera.
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good info, thanks Mak....

this fella didnt make any sense to me and hes using a caliper and not giving any measurements?
 
Makael said:
Specs online show both the same at .120.
Im suprised some people can operate a camera.
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Well, I took the time to watch the whole video......(got curious) and it does seem that this is an edge profile question as I surmised.

With the .120 you are quoting a measurement at the spine while he is measuring way down at the edge at the bevel. Two totally different things.

And he is finding the S30V thicker there.

That impacts slicing ability, which is his complaint.

And he started trying to reprofile to make it slice better, but soon gave up since all he had was an old oilstone.......(you need diamond for that task). Maybe somebody can find a follow up video where he gives us the end of the story?

Reminds me of what we had to do with the old 440C blades........it was a lot of work.

Anyhow, maybe some of the experts will soon chime in.
 
I just googled both blade thickness. Im not sure where the size is determined. With such similar blade shape and size the difference would be minimal.
 
Der Verminator said:
Well, I took the time to watch the whole video......(got curious) and it does seem that this is an edge profile question as I surmised.

With the .120 you are quoting a measurement at the spine while he is measuring way down at the edge at the bevel. Two totally different things.

And he is finding the S30V thicker there.

That impacts slicing ability, which is his complaint.

And he started trying to reprofile to make it slice better, but soon gave up since all he had was an old oilstone.......(you need diamond for that task). Maybe somebody can find a follow up video where he gives us the end of the story.
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Yeah ... I told him the S30V blade steel is harder than his oil stone, so he'll need either a Diamond or SiC stone to sharpen or reprofile it.
He did give a good review of the standard 420HC 110. (Used it to build a shelter, he did.)
Vinnie proved beyond a reasonable doubt that knowledge and finesse beats brute strength when he used a vintage 2 blade pen knife to build a shelter in one of his earlier videos.
 
Maybe at the very tip end 3/8 inch or so but that’s the purpose of a clip point vs drop point. I think the guy is a bit confused either that or got a fake knock off he is comparing.
 
Makael said:
I just googled both blade thickness. Im not sure where the size is determined. With such similar blade shape and size the difference would be minimal.
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No.

The difference is a lot when comparing spine (where your .120 was measured) and the bevel.

Anyhow, he found that there was a difference between the 420HC edge geometry and the S30V.

Which is interesting. What's the reason? Odd indeed unless his knife was just a mistake. I guess the sharpening at the Buck factory is still done by hand.......which means variations that could be substantial at times.

We need an expert to weigh in........Mr. Hubbard.
 
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afishhunter said:
Yeah ... I told him the S30V blade steel is harder than his oil stone, so he'll need either a Diamond or SiC stone to sharpen or reprofile it.
He did give a good review of the standard 420HC 110. (Used it to build a shelter, he did.)
Vinnie proved beyond a reasonable doubt that knowledge and finesse beats brute strength when he used a vintage 2 blade pen knife to build a shelter in one of his earlier videos.
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He is lucky to have someone helping him by giving advice. However, he doesn't seem to be taking your advice. I read a bunch of comments and didn't see that he'd gotten a diamond stone. I wonder if he will post something if he gets it reprofiled or if he just gave up????
 
I was wondering if he meant the tip was thicker on the drop point which it would be compared to the clip point, but from what I watched he seemed to imply the whole blade.

I'm not sure thickness would be that much different if at all on the edge and body of the blade but maybe Mr. Hubbard can elaborate for us if he so chooses.
 
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It's unlikely. If the S30V was thicker, the lock bar, spring holder and blade bushing would all have to be thicker. The bushing is a little thicker than the blade to keep in the blade from rubbing the frame.
If the S30V was naturally thicker than the 420H, they would need different parts for each knife which I can't believe Buck would do that.
 
Makael said:
Specs online show both the same at .120.
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Yes that's what I found when I was looking at the 112s in S30V (they aren't significantly or any thicker).
~3mm is too thick for my uses as it is so I would not have bought my 112s if they were still thicker yet.

Boy is S30V a step in the right direction with these Bucks though ! ! ! !
I bought two; the slim with tan G-10 and the full thickness nickel with black G-10.
I LIKE THEM ! ! ! (doesn't mean I might not grind them thinner in the future).

PS: to mix apples and oranges the blades on my 2019 112 S30V Buck knives are with in a thousandth or so of my 1980's 110. Actual measurement with dial caliper.
 
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Der Verminator said:
He is lucky to have someone helping him by giving advice. However, he doesn't seem to be taking your advice. I read a bunch of comments and didn't see that he'd gotten a diamond stone. I wonder if he will post something if he gets it reprofiled or if he just gave up????
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I dunno. He might have gone back to his standard 110 or one of his Case or Rough Rider Stockmans or trappers (he did a couple vids comparing the Case and Rough Rider Stockman and Trappers) or one of his Opinels or SAK's ... or maybe his trusty vintage pen knife?

Vinnie is one who's knife reviews I'll actually watch. He does "real life" reviews and don't baton bricks (or ???) or stab some poor innocent vehicles. :)

I'm still waiting for him to wear a kilt in his videos though. (He Irish.)
 
Wowbagger said:
Yes that's what I found when I was looking at the 112s in S30V (they aren't significantly or any thicker).
~3mm is too thick for my uses as it is so I would not have bought my 112s if they were still thicker yet.

Boy is S30V a step in the right direction with these Bucks though ! ! ! !
I bought two; the slim with tan G-10 and the full thickness nickel with black G-10.
I LIKE THEM ! ! ! (doesn't mean I might not grind them thinner in the future).

PS: to mix apples and oranges the blades on my 2019 112 S30V Buck knives are with in a thousandth or so of my 1980's 110. Actual measurement with dial caliper.
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I believe S30V since 2011. We have seen S90V now in the 110 last year I believe, So many steels for the 110. very cool selection.
 
MT_Pokt said:
It's unlikely. If the S30V was thicker, the lock bar, spring holder and blade bushing would all have to be thicker. The bushing is a little thicker than the blade to keep in the blade from rubbing the frame.
If the S30V was naturally thicker than the 420H, they would need different parts for each knife which I can't believe Buck would do that.
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No, Buck wouldn't have to do that. He didn't say the whole blade was thicker.........he said the blade at the top of the bevel was thicker.

That's the lower part of the blade near the edge, not the top. The top, of course, is .120 just like all of them.

If you watch the video you can see where he was measuring.......then it becomes clear.

I don't think the guy is confused at all.......he has a point.

If Buck would want to comment maybe they have a good reason why that knife with S30V has different edge geometry than the one with 420HC. Maybe it's just an anomaly.

Mr. Hubbard?
 
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