thicker stock on s30v vs. 420hc blades?

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jbmonkey said:
I was wondering if he meant the tip was thicker on the drop point which it would be compared to the clip point, but from what I watched he seemed to imply the whole blade.

I'm not sure thickness would be that much different if at all on the edge and body of the blade but maybe Mr. Hubbard can elaborate for us if he so chooses.
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You may not have watched far enough.

Go to 3:15 and you can see exactly what he is measuring.
 
Der Verminator said:
How so?
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hes talking about poor slicing. hes also implying the entire blade is a poor slicer not just the tip of the knife. he holds up the knife at a point and motions a slicing action in using the whole blade. also when he tries to thin the bevels he works the entire blade not just the tip. there ya go.....
 
jbmonkey said:
hes talking about poor slicing. hes also implying the entire blade is a poor slicer not just the tip of the knife. he holds up the knife at a point and motions a slicing action in using the whole blade. also when he tries to thin the bevels he works the entire blade not just the tip. there ya go.....
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I do understand all that.

Yes, he says the entire blade is a poor slicer due to the edge geometry.

That involves the entire blade.

The question is still......why does the S30V have a different edge geometry than the 420HC?
 
Der Verminator said:
I do understand all that.

Yes, he says the entire blade is a poor slicer due to the edge geometry.

That involves the entire blade.

The question is still......why does the S30V have a different edge geometry than the 420HC?
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then why are ya quoting me and telling me to watch the video again....

just make your point.....
 
I've watched a few of his other videos and I think this guy is quite good.

Over 1.78k subscribers......that's a lot.

Probably more than any of us have.

:)
 
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Der Verminator said:
I've watched a few of his other videos and I think this guy is quite good.

Over a million subscribers......that's a lot.

Probably more than any of us have.

:)
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no ones picking on the fella....just a discussion on his one example of an s30v drop point and statements hes made without taking the time to elaborate more on it, hence the discussion topic on it.

it's a discussion on the topic I started, not a witch hunt on the video making fella. let's not confuse what the thread is for......thanks....
 
jbmonkey said:
so randomly watched some videos, found this maybe an Irish or British fella talking about s30v drop point 110 being thicker stock and not being a good slicer due to steel thickness compared to a standard clip point 420hc 110.

I've never noticed a decrease in cutting performance in drop vs. clip point or s30v vs. 420hc due to stock thickness. not sure that's even accurate but I've never measured or found a need to. who knows if there is any truth to this thicker stock used for s30v steel on a 110?

video is posted for ref, but it's kinda long and draggy.....dont need to watch it as I summed it up enough to his belief on the topic. thoughts? thanks.
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The point is........you misrepresent what he said.

You talk about "stock."

He never mentioned that.

You will notice that he measures the bottom of the blade......not the top.

He's measuring where the blade was sharpened.

He's talking about blade geometry.......not stock thickness.

He said the primary bevel is thicker on the S30V........not the "stock" (as you say).

The primary question is why is the primary bevel different on the S30V Drop Point.

Which is why we're waiting for Mr. Hubbard.
 
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Der Verminator said:
The point is........you misrepresent what he said.

You talk about "stock."

He never mentioned that.

You will notice that he measures the bottom of the blade......not the top.

He's measuring where the blade was sharpened.

He's talking about blade geometry.......not stock thickness.

He said the primary bevel is thicker on the S30V........not the "stock" (as you say).

The primary question is why is the primary bevel different on the S30V Drop Point.

Which is why we're waiting for Mr. Hubbard.
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you got everything I said all wrong......
 
When you ignore them, they get away with it as no one calls them out.

But I can't stand the insanity anymore either.
So ignore it is.

There are some very knowledgeable and intelligent people here.
If they ignore you, you have thus lost one of the greatest advantages of this forum. They will not give you feedback.

Maybe he can start his own thread and find out.....?

Thanks.
 
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He says it is a lot but as you said doesnt say how much. By his comparison i dont think it is very much. I would think that small of a difference could easily be in setup from one batch to another and nothing to do with the steel I bet you might find that difference from one year to another in the clip points.
I also cant imagine lumping all these blade types together over such a small difference of two blades.

He is measuring one spot but reffering to the entire length of the blade.
I dont hink it is enough to notice a difference at two completely seperste times, i got the idea he didnt get the drop point till after he had given the first clip point away. And had drawn his conclusion that it didnt slice as well prior to getting the new clip point knife.

I watched this vid and did not and will not waste my time watching his others, but thiswas a poor review.
 
st8yd said:
He says it is a lot but as you said doesnt say how much. By his comparison i dont think it is very much. I would think that small of a difference could easily be in setup from one batch to another and nothing to do with the steel I bet you might find that difference from one year to another in the clip points.
I also cant imagine lumping all these blade types together over such a small difference of two blades.

He is measuring one spot but reffering to the entire length of the blade.
I dont hink it is enough to notice a difference at two completely seperste times, i got the idea he didnt get the drop point till after he had given the first clip point away. And had drawn his conclusion that it didnt slice as well prior to getting the new clip point knife.

I watched this vid and did not and will not waste my time watching his others, but thiswas a poor review.
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This was indeed a poor review.........he said that he couldn't recommend the S30V if they all have an edge as thick as the edge on the one he had.

That's about as bad as a review can get.

He basically said to forget the "fancy" steel and stick with 420HC.......and he is effusive in his praise of the standard 420 HC Buck 110.......he highly recommends it.

So, he trashed one Buck while giving great praise to another..........one out of two ain't bad.

What's the story here? He theorizes that the S30V can have problems with chipping and Buck changes the edge geometry by beefing up the blade just above the bevel to give the edge more strength.

Harsh words to us Buck lovers.

I'm not one to stick my head in the sand and refuse to read or watch anything that suggests a problem with my favorite knife.

Are you?

Maybe he got the rare blade that was incorrectly done. Who knows?

I suggest that those who own the two knives in question do some measuring of their own.

S30V drop point 110 vs. the plain 420HC 110.

Got them? So measure them.

I suspect Mr. Hubbard is checking into it right now.

Far too interesting a question to ignore.
 
jbmonkey said:
you got everything I said all wrong......
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I think your use of the word "stock" caused the problem.

He never said anything about "stock." By doing that you caused some folks who failed to watch the video to think he said the whole blade was thicker.

He did not say that.

He talked only about the thick bevel on the S30V knife.

We all know that these knives end up at .120 stock.

That has nothing to do with what eventually happens at the cutting edge.

So........I got everything you said all right.

You told people not to watch the whole video.......that might have contributed to the problem.

But thanks for sharing the vid........it is indeed worth watching.
 
st8yd said:
He says it is a lot but as you said doesnt say how much. By his comparison i dont think it is very much. I would think that small of a difference could easily be in setup from one batch to another and nothing to do with the steel I bet you might find that difference from one year to another in the clip points.
I also cant imagine lumping all these blade types together over such a small difference of two blades.

He is measuring one spot but reffering to the entire length of the blade.
I dont hink it is enough to notice a difference at two completely seperste times, i got the idea he didnt get the drop point till after he had given the first clip point away. And had drawn his conclusion that it didnt slice as well prior to getting the new clip point knife.

I watched this vid and did not and will not waste my time watching his others, but thiswas a poor review.
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I've got him on ignore, I won't see his responses now as it has little to no value. I also won't see his reply either which is priceless.:):):):):):):):):):):).
 
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