Thicker the BETTER?

rjd · Sep 9, 2006

How about a Limited Edition Busse Broad Sword!!!!!!!

rjd

I would buy one!!!!

MVF · Sep 9, 2006

I'm with the THINFI guys. I'd like to see Jerry offer both a HOG version and a thinner version of most blades. I know it's probably sacrilege to say it out loud, but the edge on a 1/4" blade is really too thick for maximum usefulness.

I'm surprised more people haven't asked for thinner blades. What's the point of having a steel as tough as INFI and still making the blades so thick that even an inferior steel would be plenty strong. Why not take advantage of INFI's quality to make thinner blades that are still more than strong enough for heavy use, but slice better too? If I could afford a custom Busse, that's what I would do.

rbmcmjr · Sep 9, 2006

cjpgeyer said:
I have an Off Duty custom shop that is nine mm wide. It DESTROYS! It is the biggest small knife you'll ever handle. I believe two were made, plus a prototype.

I think it is closer to a dozen. Mine is .375", which is about 9.3 mm. It's the green one:

Progunner · Sep 9, 2006

Rat Finkenstein said:
What about the Dragon's Fang?

or. . . Why not be the first to custom order the biggest and most expensive Busse ever made? Go for it!

You have to go mighty damned big to beat the Chuckchete for size and expense!

rtiger2 · Sep 10, 2006

MVF said:
I'm with the THINFI guys. I'd like to see Jerry offer both a HOG version and a thinner version of most blades. I know it's probably sacrilege to say it out loud, but the edge on a 1/4" blade is really too thick for maximum usefulness.

I'm surprised more people haven't asked for thinner blades. What's the point of having a steel as tough as INFI and still making the blades so thick that even an inferior steel would be plenty strong. Why not take advantage of INFI's quality to make thinner blades that are still more than strong enough for heavy use, but slice better too? If I could afford a custom Busse, that's what I would do.

I agree. I'd like to see more versions with different thicknesses as well.

If I really need a .50" thick blade to chop something, I'll get an axe!

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2006

MVF said:
I know it's probably sacrilege to say it out loud, but the edge on a 1/4" blade is really too thick for maximum usefulness.

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Actually this is not true at all and here is why geometrically speaking.

Let's take some flat ground knives that are available out there. The Benchmade AFCK is one of the best cutting tools I have ever had. So let's take it's thickness versus it's width. The blade is 0.125 inches thick and about 7/8 inch wide (0.875 inch). So let's take an SHBM at 1 and 7/8 inch wide blade (1.875 inch) and what thickness it would have to be to equal the AFCK.

SHBM thickness/ 1.875 = 0.125/0.875

SHBM Thickness = 0.268 inch A FATTY!

Let's Take the spyderco Military

SHBM Thickness/ 1.875 = .15625 / 1

SHBM thickness = 0.293 inches

And actually the AFCK is slightly sabre ground so the blade geometry is not even as good as full flat ground

Can you believe that a thin slicer like an AFCK or Military has the same effective blade geometry as a Battlemistress. No wonder my BM's cut so well.:thumbup:

And actually, the width on those two folders gets smaller real quick so the blade geometry gets worse haflway down the blade, unlike the SHBM.

Makes sense?:thumbup:

MVF · Sep 10, 2006

Cobalt, I'm not really following you there.

I was thinking mainly of my FSH (convex grind)- which Busses are flat ground? I just wish the edge on my FSH was thinner because I think it would be all-around more efficient.

On the other hand, I don't know that I want my first adventure in re-profiling to be on the most expensive knife I own!

Rat Finkenstein · Sep 10, 2006

you can request a thinner edge from the shop

KnifeAddictAK · Sep 10, 2006

Progunner said:
You have to go mighty damned big to beat the Chuckchete for size and expense!

That's the truth!!!

As for fatties... Sandwiches, Infi, paychecks... All good. I'll stop there

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2006

MVF said:
Cobalt, I'm not really following you there. I was thinking mainly of my FSH (convex grind)- which Busses are flat ground? I just wish the edge on my FSH was thinner because I think it would be all-around more efficient.

On the other hand, I don't know that I want my first adventure in re-profiling to be on the most expensive knife I own!

MVF, I understand what you are saying about edge thickness and you can request from busse that they grind the edge thinner for you. However, Blade thickness has never been the issue when discussing edge geometry.

You specifically stated that 1/4 inch is too thick, and what I am trying to explain is that it is not the blades thickness that you have a problem with, it is the blades edge thickness. And that has nothing to do with overal blade thickness.

Also, most Busses are flat ground and the edge is a convex grind, like your FSH. I guess the difference is terminology. You say convex ground, you need to specify edge or blade. There is no convex ground Busse to my knowledge. This would entail putting the entire side of the knife to grind on a slack belt, not just the edge. All Busses are either Flat ground and sabre ground with convex edges and assymetrical edges.

Rat Finkenstein · Sep 10, 2006

Cobalt said:
There is no convex ground Busse to my knowledge. This would entail putting the entire side of the knife to grind on a slack belt, not just the edge. All Busses are either Flat ground and sabre ground with convex edges and assymetrical edges.

AFAIK, the SJTac has a convex primary grind.

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2006

Rat Finkenstein said:
AFAIK, the SJTac has a convex primary grind.

I'll have to look at my SJTAC. I did not realize that the entire side of that knife was Convex as in bowed out

as in the reverse of hollow grinding a knife's side. Cool, I'll look at it tonight.

Rat Finkenstein · Sep 10, 2006

let me know if I am mistaken!

rbmcmjr · Sep 10, 2006

Cobalt said:
Also, most Busses are flat ground and the edge is a convex grind, like your FSH. I guess the difference is terminology. You say convex ground, you need to specify edge or blade.

Correct. There are a few Busse knives with hollow ground blades, but almost everything else is flat ground primary, either sabre or full. See below for an exception.

There is no convex ground Busse to my knowledge. This would entail putting the entire side of the knife to grind on a slack belt, not just the edge. All Busses are either Flat ground and sabre ground with convex edges and assymetrical edges.

You forgot the SJT. It is a true convex primary grind and was touted as such when it was on the home website.

Edited to note that I should have updated my browser before posting. Someone already beat me to it.

Yager · Sep 10, 2006

i have a few Busse's that are true convex primarys I think. One is custom ground, but the other 2 are stock. Let me go dig them out of the safe and i'll get right back to y'all.

Yager · Sep 10, 2006

i was thinking of the ZT SJ and the SJTAC LE. as stated previously, the SJTAC's have a convex grind, this is even more noticable on the LE. the ZT SJ is convexed from the grind line down, kinda in between a full convex primary, but more than just a convexed edge.

MVF · Sep 10, 2006

Thanks Cobalt, you are absolutely right- I was mixing edge thickness and blade thickness.

If I send a knife back to the shop to thin the edge would'nt they end up removing a lot of the coating to do it? I started a thread awhile back asking about this, but didn't get a response from anyone who had done it. Any idea of the cost? -or is this something that needs to be specified when you order the knife?

About the grinds; there was a thread about the differences between a FSH and a HH and one of the differences mentioned was the convex vs. flat grind. AFAIR several people agreed that the FSH was full convex. I may be ignorant of what actually constitutes a convex grind, but if I put a straight edge against my FSH it sure looks convex

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2006

Not sure how much, but I bet that specifying it when ordering the knife, they can do it for little extra. I have heard others say that they request thinner edges as well.

cjpgeyer · Sep 11, 2006

rbmcmjr/Rick-- Thanks for the correction. Love the green O.D. Mine is brown. I use a badger attack as my go to(it's an early one, not INFI).