Things a father should teach his son

Oh my TLM accuses me of possibly being a lawyer. Gee, that was harsh. :rolleyes: Then, he tells me that my reading comprehension skills are lacking (probably because I'm a lawyer). For clarification, Mr. TLM, I am a tax attorney which means that my reading comprehension skills go far beyond being able to follow the incongruous screed that you are delivering. Then he commences in responding to parsed sentences (some attributable to TLM himself) in a manner implying that he is responding to my questions. :rolleyes: TLM's inconsistency throughout this thread went to the heart of my questions. TLMs statement in a later post stating that women are people to be treated with common courtesy will not protect him from his previous statements reflecting his views to the contrary. The quotations that I chose reflected such was the case. It's not my fault that TLM failed to adequately express his views. Anyhow, I think TLM does a great job demonstrating his character in his last post. That's all I needed to know about him.
 
Ren the devils trailboss said:
for me all people deserve respect. THen there are people that deserve to be respected, this is what you earn.

SEBENZA!!!!!
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I understand the distinction that you are making, and I agree with it.
 
I know the problem that many men have relating to women is that they lack self confidence and respect for themselves. It seems common for guys to say that 'she is a bitch' when they encounter a strong woman or one that 'has power over them' even if that power is only superior reasoning skills.
My daughter is being shown the difference by me, her father. Woe be to the boyfriend that does not have respect for her.
It is easy to be a 'Joe Sixpack', it is more difficult to join the entire human race and be a man. Hell, you might even have to get off the couch (or away from the pornsites and titbars) and work at it.....
 
Fudo,

fudo said:
I was told when I was small to treat every woman like a lady until she proves she isn't.
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I really think that it all depends on who is being hurt by the woman's behavior. If a woman is bringing harm to you, then you should defend yourself. However, if the woman is only hurting herself through her behavior (maybe she's degrading herself), then it is my view that she's already feeling low. Why exacerbate it?

Jennifer-I don't think that a lady demands respect. I think a lady (or Gentleman)COMMANDS respect. As an example of the difference as it shows in a person's comportment-Madonna/Britney Spears/ Christina Agulera(?) on the one hand and Audrey Hepburn on the other. Dignity and character shows and should be recognised,a character lacking in dignity and class and character should also be recognised.
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I'm really not sure that the word "command" demonstrates the point any better than "demands." I'm going to have to think about a more effective way of expressing this view. I honestly don't really feel comfortable with either term which is why I felt the need to expound on its meaning:

"That's not to mean that she walks around with a chip on her shoulder and orders people to behave a certain way. "Demanding respect" is a matter of presence. It's more subtle than how you seem to define it. The message is delivered (or not delivered) more through body language and verbal cues than anything else. If you have to verbally "demand" respect from others in the manner in which you seem to define it, then that battle is probably already lost (but not always). I like to think of it as a line in the sand. People don't like being around people who don't enforce their boundaries. They see them as weak (or in this situation "cheap" may be a better description), and they often treat them accordingly. The kind of respect that I am referring to is NOT earned. It is generally received by most members of society until the person behaves in a manner reflecting that it is not necessary or expected."

The distinction that you make between Madonna and Hepburn is certainly valid. And I agree that we should hold people accountable for their behavior. It's simply the manner in which we do it that concerns me. The Madonna types are awarded for their behavior. The women I'm referring to are treated like trash, they aren't Madonnas. Recognize their poor behavior, point it out to your daughter or son as behavior reflecting low self-respect (which is so vital to healthy living). But, what's the point of treating them like dirt, it only reinforces their low feelings. I'm not advocating trying to save them. I just think that a gentleman would do no harm.
 
I make certain my daughter has the opportunity to learn each thing in which I am skilled.
First is respect for all living things. There are only 2 creatures I kill. Scorpions and poisonous spiders, and then only if they are in, or close to the house.
Second is to follow your curiousity. This will lead you to find your bliss.

PRECEPTS OF THE SAMURAI*
Know yourself.
Always follow through on commitments.
Respect everyone.
Hold strong convictions that cannot be altered by your circumstances.
Do not make an enemy of yourself.
Live without regrets.
Be certain to make a good first impression.
Do not cling to the past.
Never break a promise.
Do not depend on other people.
Do not speak ill of others.
Do not be afraid of anything.
Respect the opinions of others.
Have compassion and understanding for everyone.
Do not be impetuous.
Even little things must be attended to.
Never forget to be appreciative.
Be first to seize the opportunity.
Make a desperate effort.
Have a plan for your life.
Never lose your "beginner's spirit".
 
jsmatos, nice change of tactics, very feminine though. "oh my" is not very high on the specific answer scale.

I did not claim that your reading comprehension skills are lacking, just that you intensionally left out something relevant. Sonething typical for american lawyers.

You started the parsing game, it is somewhat difficult to answer to a parser without relenting to the same game.

I am not a native speaker of english, so there actually are some semantic problems at times but propably not this time.

You claim that your reading skills are impeccable, maybe so, but you are propably intentionally imprecise and very selective. A lawyer can say whatever she wants and not be accountable for it, she might lose the case but not be accountable.

If I make a mistake in my numbers people will get killed, that tends to keep your precision higher than the standard lawyer practise.

I am sorry to have started an argument about feminine ethics with a female in a thread that originally handled a meaningfull subject.






I still think that while specific skills are important the attitude that you can conway to your children is more important. It can be taught through specifics but I prefer the general, my daughter seems to have picked it up son is still touch and go.

TLM

Who has been married to a lawyer for a long time.
 
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