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This thread will be a bit different. In it I am going to post the contents of one box that I came upon in the items I brought back from Tenn. I have validated that this box came from the R&D research and development dept. Perhapes one of the most ( to me ) interesting areas of the company. I really have not gotten into much of it ( the load I brought back ) since in order to do it correctly it has to be done quite precisely to preserve some rather unusual artifacts. Many of these items have written provenance and other validating history putting this together is slow. I guess the difference is like that of a grave robber versus an archealogist ( spelling??) . Many of these items are prototypes or preprototypes simply ideas that were not even accepted to be manufactured. As well as various other aspects some are marked in various ways which determines there validity some have written materials with them explaining there purpose. Some are simply variations ( different handle materials ect ) of recognized patterns and styles. I suppose I should post one of these items which has the most factual substanciation so that it gives credence to some of the less documented items. Yes that would be logical however instead I am going to use for my first posting 2 knives that were found in that box without tang stamps or markings. Other knives with provanance with these handles were found in the box and will be shown later. However I had to do these first. In an age of war and discord how could I not post the knife that like the wisdom of king suleman, ends the eternal discord ( especially on this forum. )
Codger, Woofer, finally you can put down your swords ( folding or not ) and pick up one of these yes a Lockback 2 blade FOLDING full STRAIGHT HUNTING SHEATH STYLE FISHING knife. This is like finding a biblical artifact which unites all mankind with one simple truth.

I do not know if any other company ever produced something like this a scaler and a elongated turkish clip much the same as there folders had. Notice the locks are a bit different on each one as are the handle shapes. Handles appear to be a white delrin and as I said mechs are similar but not the same. These might have been a variation of design from some other company I have seen older knives that kind of had this idea but the knives were manually turned in the handle. PUKKA ( digging deep in my memory ) or Eskilstuna but not the same. Perhapes there were others. These are unmarked and come from that box

While it is on my mind I wanted to mention that while Smokey decided not to do the book on Schrade. Mr Taylor has commissioned Mr B Voyles to do one in order to preserve this history. I have chosen not to go into this endeaver whether that book or one I was contemplating. Presently at my age I find time is the commodity I treasure most and I would prefer to work on the museum project. ( I have always like lost causes) . Actually I was kind of a relieved to know that this was one segment of saving this history that is not my responsibility. If I do not like the way it is done I may reconsider at a later date. I am mentioning this because I know some of the people on this forum have been compiling and studying this subject and thought you might want to contact Mr Voyles to be part of the project. He very well may not want any offerings however I know him and he has always seemed open to information.

Now with all that out of the way here are the pics of the Codger Woofer Peace Folding straight Sheath Fishing Knife. ( COMING NEXT ON THIS THREAD PACHMAYR UNCLE HENRY LB-7 style large folder. From the same strange box ). LT
 

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Hey now, those are very cool...:cool: :cool: (double cool icons!!).

Can we smoke these like peace pipes?? Or, do we just slit open our palms and shake hands? I might need a shot or two of Drown Royal to pull that off...the smoking part I mean.

I'll bet there is some mighty interesting stuff there. Good luck with all of it Rich, and keep showing us, if you please.

woofer...weighing in.

Next player.

P. S.
The Pachmayr should be "Gripping"...:D
 
I look forward to seeing everything you wanna show us, LT. Interesting knife you start out with, and here I show you the latest version of that idea... Nothing new under the sun, they say.

It's the SOG 'Revolver'. Been out of a couple of years now. Hailed by knife magazine writers as a 'revolutionary idea from the designers at SOG'.

Phil
 

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textoothpk said:
Hailed by knife magazine writers as a 'revolutionary idea from the designers at SOG'.

Phil

Ahhh, Like when Subaru claimed to build the first SUV station wagon with the Outback. I guess they missed the AMC Eagle/Spirit from the late 70's/early 80's :p

LT,
I hate to sould like the Busse/Swamp Rat forum folks but... more, more, more, more, more, more, more...:D
 
That reminds me of a knife made in Beaverton, Oregon in the early to mid-1980's, called a Swing Blade. It had 2 clip blades that the blades pivoted on one end and a clip in the shape of the handle that slid on and off the handle to change blades. I sold a few in our stores that we bought directly from the inventor (his name was Del, something). I have never seen anything quite like it. Basically you removed the clip to change the blades, then slipped the clip back on the knife. The lock was a square tooth on both ends of the clip (as I recall). The knife was expensive in those days ($125) as the inventor had them made in small lots. He may have done some of the finish work himself.

Nice stuff LT!!! :thumbup:
Keep it coming.....it is like Christmas! :D
 
Bruce Voyles here. Would love to have everyone willing to help on the Schrade project to join in--if there is a particular segment on which you have expertise and would like to write on that specific subject let's talk about it. Especially anything rare that I likely would have little information on. (No, I already have photos of 34OT and 8 OT... just joking), at this point I would hope everyone interested would have some imput in this project.

You can email me at bruce@jbrucevoyles.com

Also any photos, etc. that are used would be credited. Photos of knives from your personal collections will be so acknowleged. Rather have photos than the line art from the old catalogs. (Digital images preferred rather than handling originals, but let me know they're coming so it doesn't fill my box up)

I was one of the early visitors at Blue Ridge after they divided up the Schrade factory stuff with Smoky and do have some unique things I'll be showing in the book from my personal stuff.

I do have an etched glass Schrade Cut display case etched "Everlastingly Sharp" that I bought years ago at the Great Western in Pamona, CA -- paid $200 at Mailboxes, etc just to get it shipped home without breaking.

Let me hear from you if you are willing to help. I'm looking to make this book historically correct, and interesting, with accurate prices.
 
Codger, LT, Phil, Larry, Dale, Del, etc. etc. In short all my Schrade heroes, I hope you guys all step up to the plate on this for Bruce voyles. It would be so great to have something to supplement Clemente's book as a definitive guide to Shcrade and their values. My one hope is that it will be exhaustively complete. Thank you Mr. Bruce Voyles!!!:thumbup:

Paul:
 
Good luck on your project you have the weight of many fine americans who created this history and these fine crafted tools watching from a higher court I am sure you will do your utmost to give them and this subject your best efforts. I have always held the opinion that the more books and articles done on this subject the better. It is only through an enlightened public that interest and preservation of this important history of our country will endure.Humm I sound a bit like LIncoln tonight. I included some pics of three of the display cases you mention all full of Schrade Cuts well not the wood one that has examples of most of the knives of the Hudson valley, NY Mattewan, Napanoch, honk falls, Grahamsville, Nagle, Kipsi Kut, Orange, Walden COOP, Bradley, Walden, NYK, ( and various by them electric, wallkill river ect) D&S, Ellenville, Ulster you know stuff like that. Once again good luck. LT PS Of course Schrade cut is less than half the history of Schrade and if you include the entire Hudson valley it starts in 1852 some 20 years earlier is you start in CT with Waterville and Bradley. A handsome undertaking and once again good luck.
 

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Meanwhile back at the threads original subject as you may recall in our last exciting episode we were discussing proto types ect . I made reference of a Schrade LB-7 type folder with Pachmayr grips. To add some substance to this claim I am including first, a picture of a completed version of this knife with these handles. It is the only one I know of. However I do have extra examples of the liner bolster handles. This appears to be marked either Pachmayr or Schrade ( depending on which version. ). I should now expound on the procedure of how these were produced. I should but since I have no idea of how these were produced ( bubble gum molded and left to harden???) I won't, I am sure there are others out there who can explain this but I am not one of them .
I am including a pic of the knife and a close up of the handle Also a pic of a regular liner handle without center one with a regular center and one each of both styles of PACHs one marked Schrade one marked pachmayr . To further confuse things I included a pic of a version of ltd edition which has no rear bolster but rather a lanyard rivit to hold it together in the back ( this is even weirder since it is serial # 001). there is also an old timer of this variation. Then to finally add to the insanity is a collection of odditys of this style of knife including a Case Mako converted to automatic a Buck similarly altered. A regular Buck. On the right top a proto Case bolster liner done for schrade similar to the Mako version. A version with no center in the liner bolster a stag, a gut hook, a lucite for viewing the workings. a custom striped engraved bolster version and I give up whatever else is there. It certainly is not all of them and is just a display to give an idea of some of the various possibilitys. the last pic is of the factory office catalogues which had these knives on the front page.
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Next on this thread I validate Micheals claim that Schrade tested competitors brands with irrefutable proof and yes examples and provenance. LT
 

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Wow!!

Never seen anything like the Pachmayr...way too cool, LT.

Of course all of them are cool, but I really liked your display cases as well.

Thanks for sharing this portion of your collection.

Bill
 
Forgive my rookie questions but is the knife in the center of the display a typical 6OT?

Is the wood handled knife (Ser. No. 001) a variation of the same?

The Pachmayr is way cool but it would only fuel the desire to get a classic Dan Wesson Pistol Pack in .357Mag to act as companion to such a knife :p
 
LT, yours is not the only one. I've had one for awhile and even posted a photo of it here several times, but it never generated any interest. Mine came from the sample room before Schrade closed. Unlike yours which appears to have brass bolsters, mine is nickle silver. Of all the LB7's I have, this Pachmayr handled one is my most prized example of the ilk.

I'm glad you came into possession of another, especially one made of different materials. Thanks for the provenance.



edit: I see a slight difference between your example and mine in the pattern of handles; mine has a smooth ridge where the handle meets the bolster.
 
I have both the silver and the brass extra liner bolsters, does yours say Schrade or Pachmayr on the handle? the silver versions seem to Have Schrade the brass Pach. Well again my old adage repeats Schrade never made just one of anything. R&D is the same as the sample room. Neato actually with the extra bolsters I could have a couple put together. Sorry it was glossed before. Frankly I do not remember it. This was a newy to me. Pretty rare but I think the idea would have sold it has a great feel. LT
 
My handle says:

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This is a very comfortable knife to hold in the hand. It's a shame Schrade didn't manufacture and market this knife, it would have been very practical.
 
Very, very nice Redshanks...:thumbup: :thumbup: I didn't remember your post. Sorry. :o

Bill
 
Mr. Voyles, I can't help but notice that this is your first post in the
schrade forum, and you've been a member here at BFC for a long while. What's your big interest in Schrade now? What is your motivation for the book?

About the Pachmayr knife. I have one around here somewhere with a Pach shield on it. I always thought it was a fake; Someone just inletted the handle and glued it on. I'll try and find it, since I moved, some things are a bit lost.
 
After looking at back posts I had the same question.I hope you do justice to our favorite knives.It would be a shame to have access to all that material and not use it well when there are people here who would give their right arm for it.Arnold
 
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