Thinking Of Treating Myself to this Knife

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Hi,

I'm thinking of really treating myself and buying a Yoshikazu Ikeda. Have my eye on this knife:


Hopefully that country-specific link works.
Before spending so much money I'm wondering if anyone can give me advice/warn me about the realities of it. Maybe I'll be to scared to use it, maybe there are realities to Honyaki that are not so appealing etc.

Thanks in advance,
p
 
Hi,

I'm thinking of really treating myself and buying a Yoshikazu Ikeda. Have my eye on this knife:


Hopefully that country-specific link works.
Before spending so much money I'm wondering if anyone can give me advice/warn me about the realities of it. Maybe I'll be to scared to use it, maybe there are realities to Honyaki that are not so appealing etc.

Thanks in advance,
p
You already started to answer your own question with the " scared to use it" Well it certainly is a beauty . I can't say anything about the cost I'm not familiar with it

I don't know how much cooking you do but you could get a nice custom set maybe 3 knives ,that would just about do most stuff you need probably ,and keep a bunch of $ in your bank account
There's a bunch of good makers right here in the exchange I'm sure could get you squared away

I was once a chef . Later I got into collecting knives & it wasn't long before I had a really gorgeous set from makers I know . Then at some point I decided to try out some lower dollar kitchen stuff just to see where it's at . Because you know ,these days some of these companies can produce very nice & good functioning knives at modest prices .

Then I stumbled onto Sanelli in Italy ,kinda like an Italian Dexter Co. I like the feel of the synthetic handles & the design too for comfort.
Now these knives are nothing to compare to all the high dollar custom fancy stuff,but they get the job done more than adequately and are very reasonable . They have a good grind that is easy to maintain. Plus if I drop one on the tile floor I'm not upset

Consider this too ,
Who is in the household ,if you"re not alone will they use/mis use your custom chef tool ?

I think there's people who collect high end kitchen knives too. Then there's that . My stuff gets used pretty hard so knives like what you're considering don't have a place in my kitchen.

Good luck on your choice I hope I helped you
 
Good luck on your choice I hope I helped you

Absolutely, thanks so much for your input. I have used Wusthof almost exclusively but have started getting into [at least Japanese] more boutique knives the last year or two. The linked knife is definitely a shameless vanity attraction.
 
Japanese knives seem to have taken a healthy price bump recently, maybe around 33%? I might be inclined to wait and watch those prices to see if they settle down.

I transitioned from very good quality German style knives to similiar quality Japanese knives over the last few years. The edge geometry of the Japanese knives (together with steel that will function with the thin edges) gives a clean, effortless cut or slice, and I much prefer using them to the serviceable German knives I previously used.

I'll give you some advice I picked up on this forum when I was shopping for my first Japanese knives. The thinner blades and very fine sharpening angles make for a delicate edge. That's why they need to be made of harder (and less tough) steel; softer steel would be rolling and chipping like mad if ground to those specs. The user's technique is a lot more important when using a thin Japanese edge compared to a thicker, industrial-strength German style edge like my old Burgvogels!

You can chip an edge or snap off a tip very easily, so a $4K knife is probably not the best place to start. Consider a $400-500 Kei Kobayashi as a safer introduction to the style. It will be like flying a space ship compared to your Wusthof's dump truck. If you damage that edge, and it happens all the time, it's not a tragedy.


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This Yoshimi Kato bunka or k-tip santoku has an SG2 core and a black chrome Damascus finish. The blade was $310US and the black and light-colored buffalo horn handle brought the price close to $400. Light as a feather and a dream to use, and I am not afraid to use it.

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Silver 3 san mai (three-layer) blades with cypress wood and buffalo horn handles. Very light and beautifully balanced, these knives are totally cool if you are cooking for two or for ten. $230-250. I mounted the handles with epoxy. These knives are available with or without handles, but I like finding the elegant handles! Nice looking, work really well, and if your wife ***** them up, it is no big deal. I gave these as gifts, and the folks that got them are ecstatic.

Pro chef's clean their knives constantly so they don't cross-contaminate dishes, and they build clean-up/maintenance time into their day. The knives are are cared for. Home cooks tend to sit down and eat after they use their knives, and the blades can sit for hours, even overnight, without being cleaned. This doesn't work with AO 1 as it is very prone to corrosion. Modern stainless is so good that you gain practically nothing by using white or blue. Years ago it was different.
 
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Hi,

I'm thinking of really treating myself and buying a Yoshikazu Ikeda. Have my eye on this knife:


Hopefully that country-specific link works.
Before spending so much money I'm wondering if anyone can give me advice/warn me about the realities of it. Maybe I'll be to scared to use it, maybe there are realities to Honyaki that are not so appealing etc.

Thanks in advance,
p
It's more art than a knife at that price but if you're entertaining a lot using it in front of guests would be fun.
What good is it if nobody but you ever sees it? For that kind of cash that knife should be displayed front and center of countertop on a little mini katana style stand.
I don't own a single kitchen knife worth listing on my homeowners insurance but this would certainly qualify.
 
You can get very high quality Japanese kitchen knives for a small fraction of that price. On the lower end are Tojiro, Masahiro etc which are around $75 to $150, very good steel and very good performers.

Each to his own, but I don't get spending that amount of money on one kitchen knife. A collectible knife yes, but as a single user kitchen knife, no.
 
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I'll give you some advice I picked up on this forum when I was shopping for my first Japanese knives. The thinner blades and very fine sharpening angles make for a delicate edge. That's why they need to be made of harder (and less tough) steel; softer steel would be rolling and chipping like mad if ground to those specs. The user's technique is a lot more important when using a thin Japanese edge compared to a thicker, industrial-strength German style edge like my old Burgvogels!

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Thanks Khromo, good advice.
I do already own four Japanese knives, the ilk of the ones you suggest, including a Blue #1 gyuto sharpened to less than 10° (long story) and I am totally aware of the risk. I absolutely am very careful with these steels and thinness (and thankfully haven't had any incident yet) and would absolutely reach back for my wusthof to, say, break down a pumpkin.

If I buy this knife it will be half to look at and 10x more careful again when I use.
 
That is a collector-grade piece. Perfectly capable of being a daily user, but that is not the target market. There is an enormous amount of cost associated with the polish and finish in that blade, along with the particular type of honyaki "image" that is created in the Mt Fuji. Using this knife will mar the finish, dull the polish, and erase much of the cost spent to get the visuals to where they are for that knife. The finish and visuals will not maintain over the course of much daily use due to friction and chemical reaction, so if you want to use it, probably look for something a little more utilitarian, but still "premium". I'm not saying you can't, or even that you shouldn't, I'm only saying that you would be paying a premium for the blade finish only to erase it once it starts to get used much.

Kitchen Knife Forums is a great resource if your budget is that high and you are looking for a first class user.
 
Really? I'm very interested!!! Any examples?
I was going to suggest Ivan Campos, a Brazilian cutliero who has specialized in Japanese style cutlery, but his website seems to have disappeared. I have a couple of his knives, a tanto in D3 and a Scandi in 1070 that is the sharpest knife I own. Others on this forum no doubt will provide other suggestions.
 
Hi,

I'm thinking of really treating myself and buying a Yoshikazu Ikeda. Have my eye on this knife:


Hopefully that country-specific link works.
Before spending so much money I'm wondering if anyone can give me advice/warn me about the realities of it. Maybe I'll be to scared to use it, maybe there are realities to Honyaki that are not so appealing etc.

Thanks in advance,
p
Beautiful knife, but I would never use that knife. Being honyaki, usage would wear on the mirror finish. Seems like a knife you display, rather than use. Some chefs will buy a really nice knife when retiring, and display it in a room.
 
Did the OP jump?

You guys are kind of disappointing on a knife forum talking about cost and practicality.
It's only money and if it makes you happy nothing wrong with spending it. Use it, enjoy it and there is little that can be done to it that can't be returned to it's former glory.

I don't get out much so I'm not really familiar with Quince as a handle wood. I would think that it would be very close to apple?
 
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