this cougar is no joke....

[Rat Finkenstein]

My point was that the situation was staged.

Whether it was shot from multiple angles or other footage was edited in (like the cub, obviously) is irrelevant. The situation was a setup, and if you think it represents natural animal behaviour, you're mistaken.

You seem to be mistaken an awful lot today. First with your camera angle count, and now trying to divine my thoughts. You ought to stop while you are behind

 

[shecky]

What?!!? Next you'll be telling me that all those lemmings didn't jump off the cliff in a mass suicide.

That bear ought to be embarrassed. I've seen better cockfights than that.

 

[Marcelo Cantu]

What's with the porn music?

 

[razorsdescent]

Cougars are no joke just ask ricky bobby

 

[Dekz]

The situation was a setup, and if you think it represents natural animal behaviour, you're mistaken.

I find it hard to believe that there cougars and bears disciplined enough to stage a fight without it getting out of hand. But maybe I am underestimating animal trainers.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I've read that in Roman times when they'd fight animals in the coliseum, the match was 2 tigers vs 1 grizzly, and the grizzly won most of the time.

They had grizzlies in Italy in Roman times?

European brown bear, not quite the same.

 

[RescueRiley]

I have my doubts in regards to the 2 tigers vs Grizzly story...THe standard European Brown bear as Esav mentioned is sig. smaller than a grizzly... THe russian Brown bears are simelar in makeup to the Grizzly, but to my limited knowledge I believe the Romans didn't have much contact with Russia untill the peak of the Western or Byzantine empire, which was after the hay-day of the colliseum this is why so much of Russian architecture is influenced by Byzantine design.
That being said however.. I think a Grizzly vs a tige would be an outstanding battle.. But all things considered I'd give it to the Grizz.

 

[Echo4v]

Thank you Esav and RR, I was going to make the same comment about the European brown Bear as well as the fact that the bear won. The point of bear baiting was to kill the bear and the odds were usually 4 or 5 to one, even when sent against people with spears. Also, Bear Baiting as it was called, far outlasted the Roman Empire and, was a favorite sport of the mid-evil courts. However, I never heard of using tigers, in fact 99% of the accounts I have studied showed that exotic animals were so hard to come by that Roman's rarely used them more than one at a time. Roman's prefered to see bears fight people and Europeans prefered to see bears fight dogs, sometimes whole packs of Bull Mastiffs were used in European bear baitings.

AS for the video being staged...why would you think a bear who saw an easy meal then got attacked by the momma ( or dad) wouldn't decide it was too much work for too little food and simply walk away instead of fighting? It was obviously well fed and not hungry, had that bear had ribs sticking out it would have probably ate the adult and baby. My point was that it was a huge lion and parents will take extreme risks to protect their young. Also, staged or not it's some of the best close up footage of a Grizzly that I've seen.

David

 

[DocArnie]

- it could be staged
- it could be real:
- the bear could be hungry, searching for food
- the bear could have full stomach and ran into the cougars unintentionally

The bear could have fled because:
- this food wasn't worth the trouble, he didn't need it that badly
- he wasn't searching for food at all and just listened to the cougar's "message"


I think if a full grown bear really wanted to eat the cougars, he would and there isn't much they could do about it. A bear could snap a cougars neck, but I don't see how a cougar could do that to a bear that easily. Cats are just built more fragile than bears.

 

[The REAL Commander]

I have my doubts in regards to the 2 tigers vs Grizzly story...THe standard European Brown bear as Esav mentioned is sig. smaller than a grizzly... THe russian Brown bears are simelar in makeup to the Grizzly, but to my limited knowledge I believe the Romans didn't have much contact with Russia untill the peak of the Western or Byzantine empire, which was after the hay-day of the colliseum this is why so much of Russian architecture is influenced by Byzantine design.
That being said however.. I think a Grizzly vs a tige would be an outstanding battle.. But all things considered I'd give it to the Grizz.

What kind of tiger are we talking about here? Bengal? Siberian?... Either way, I see a fight between a North American Grizzly, or a Kodiak, vs a Siberian or bengal tiger, as being similar to a B17 being attacked by a swarm of Zeros. The Grizz (being the B17) can take a hell of a lot of damage, but is somewhat cumbersome when compared to its agressor. The tiger (fighter), however, may not pack the armor of the grizz, but can certainly deliver repeated blows with tremendous agility. Who wins? Nobody, they both get buggered up real bad.

 

[zenheretic]

Everyone knows the WWF* is staged and all the fights are fake.



*World Wildlife Federation