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Took me awhile to find this:
BTW, for those interested, there are more toggled knots coming.
And welcome d vman to the forums.
Doc
BTW, for those interested, there are more toggled knots coming.
And welcome d vman to the forums.
Doc
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Good knots! I have never used toggled knots at all - in fact I think I only know 12-15 knots but I use them all a lot...I am like a carpenter with a good tool belt and Doc is like a guy with a guy with a 2000 square foot shop at his disposal! I have to use my belt full of tools to do everything I ever try to do, Doc has the exact specific tool for every task. I am pretty good with my tool belt and I think I could build a cabin with what I carry...but if you asked me to make a mansion with it it would be pretty ugly! I think Doc could build metaphorical (or is it allegorical? I think it's allegorical) classic tall ships with the tool shop he's got in his head!
I use the highwayman's hitch once in a while but so rarely that every time I do it I have to think it through...but I think I should get bonus points for the fact that when I use it I am actually tying up horses!
However I am not robbing banks and then escaping quickly on those horses, which I assume is where the knot gets its name.
A good example of my 12-15 knots that I have to use for everthing is that I would probably use a bowline for tying up a canoe. Specifically I would probably use a speed bowline...now I have to see if I can find a description of how this is done but Doc will probably know it when I explain what I do...
I do an overhand slipknot, and run the loose end back through the loop of the slip knot. Give it a jerk and it spills into a bowline. Doc will know the one I'm talking about!
Oh, hang on, I found a very lousy video of someone doing it...unfortunately I think the guy is just trying to show off his ability to tie the knot rather than show how it's done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GcMsBIrP6Q
Oh Edit Happy Canada Day to all of you and may we all get blessed by half (or more) naked hot Canadian girls as pictured above!
I use the highwayman's hitch once in a while but so rarely that every time I do it I have to think it through...but I think I should get bonus points for the fact that when I use it I am actually tying up horses!
However I am not robbing banks and then escaping quickly on those horses, which I assume is where the knot gets its name.
A good example of my 12-15 knots that I have to use for everthing is that I would probably use a bowline for tying up a canoe. Specifically I would probably use a speed bowline...now I have to see if I can find a description of how this is done but Doc will probably know it when I explain what I do...
I do an overhand slipknot, and run the loose end back through the loop of the slip knot. Give it a jerk and it spills into a bowline. Doc will know the one I'm talking about!
Oh, hang on, I found a very lousy video of someone doing it...unfortunately I think the guy is just trying to show off his ability to tie the knot rather than show how it's done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GcMsBIrP6Q
Oh Edit Happy Canada Day to all of you and may we all get blessed by half (or more) naked hot Canadian girls as pictured above!
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Hey mis,
You know that being my press agent is a non-paying job?
Anyway, yes I know the knot you're talking about. The previously mentioned Brion Toss calls it a Slipknot Bowline, page 54. I used to tie it that way but sometimes, for me, it didn't work right. I have since switched to the Spilled Hitch Bowline. I'm not suggesting you change, though, because if it works for you that's all that counts. I don't have a drawing of it or I'd post it.
Now here's the tough part. I have High Speed lite, which means that downloading stuff from youtube takes half a lifetime, but apparently, I can no longer avoid it, so I checked it out. It looks to me that he is doing a one-handed Bowline because you notice his left hand only holds the standing part.
This is a recommended knot, by the way, for water rescue, etc.
And, somehow
, mis, I knew you would like the picture. Happy Canada Day, bud.
Doc
You know that being my press agent is a non-paying job?
Anyway, yes I know the knot you're talking about. The previously mentioned Brion Toss calls it a Slipknot Bowline, page 54. I used to tie it that way but sometimes, for me, it didn't work right. I have since switched to the Spilled Hitch Bowline. I'm not suggesting you change, though, because if it works for you that's all that counts. I don't have a drawing of it or I'd post it.
Now here's the tough part. I have High Speed lite, which means that downloading stuff from youtube takes half a lifetime, but apparently, I can no longer avoid it, so I checked it out. It looks to me that he is doing a one-handed Bowline because you notice his left hand only holds the standing part.
This is a recommended knot, by the way, for water rescue, etc.
And, somehow
, mis, I knew you would like the picture. Happy Canada Day, bud.Doc
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Here is a simple application of toggle use that works very well. You want to secure something with a single or double constrictor, and we all know how difficult they can be to untie. Insert a toggle in the knot and when you want to untie it, just remove the toggle first.
I've got a couple more, that I have to work up diagrams for, and one really different one for a finale!
Bear in mind, that although some of these are very effective knots, I'm presenting them here as somewhat different alternatives that are fun to play with.
Doc
I've got a couple more, that I have to work up diagrams for, and one really different one for a finale!
Bear in mind, that although some of these are very effective knots, I'm presenting them here as somewhat different alternatives that are fun to play with.
Doc
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And another. This isn't my variation, but it's pretty cool. It uses the upper part of a Sheepshank for a Trucker's Hitch.
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OK, I'm getting bored with this, so I'll finish it off. Since I screwed my back up, I'm not supposed to sit down except when driving and when....... so it makes drawing and modifying existing pictures more difficult. The good news is that it's on the mend, so hopefully, not much longer.
As far as I know, this is an original, but if knot...............
This is a piece of cordage with a loop, such as a Bowline, tied on one end.
When the knot is tightened, the toggle will twist sideways (see picture)
This works similar to the Marlinespike Hitch, although it is adjustable. To move the knot closer to the anchor point, grab the toggle. turn it so it is perpendicular to the length of the cordage, and push it towards the anchor point (don't pull it out of the knot). Stop wherever you want the knot to be and apply tension with the standing part of the rope. This will twist the toggle again as in the 2nd picture. This is kind of hard to explain, so you'll have to play with it to see.
To adjust the knot further from the anchor point, slacken off on the rope and grab the toggle (turn it perpendicular to the length of cordage) and the loose end of the loop knot and pull both away from the anchor point. Once again, you'll have to play with it.
I think this knot has real potential but I'm just not sure for what.
Well, that's it for now. There are a couple of others but maybe for another time. Maybe some of you have some you can share.
I hope you've had fun with them.
Doc
As far as I know, this is an original, but if knot...............
This is a piece of cordage with a loop, such as a Bowline, tied on one end.
When the knot is tightened, the toggle will twist sideways (see picture)
This works similar to the Marlinespike Hitch, although it is adjustable. To move the knot closer to the anchor point, grab the toggle. turn it so it is perpendicular to the length of the cordage, and push it towards the anchor point (don't pull it out of the knot). Stop wherever you want the knot to be and apply tension with the standing part of the rope. This will twist the toggle again as in the 2nd picture. This is kind of hard to explain, so you'll have to play with it to see.
To adjust the knot further from the anchor point, slacken off on the rope and grab the toggle (turn it perpendicular to the length of cordage) and the loose end of the loop knot and pull both away from the anchor point. Once again, you'll have to play with it.
I think this knot has real potential but I'm just not sure for what.
Well, that's it for now. There are a couple of others but maybe for another time. Maybe some of you have some you can share.
I hope you've had fun with them.
Doc
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I forgot to add that I want to thank everyone who took the time and made the effort to comment - good, bad or otherwise.
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That last knot is definitely interesting...if you had a rope with a standing loop you could use it to adjust the length of line on whatever you were tethering, I guess.
It's a funny thing, that slipknot bowline...when I was on a pile driving crew, we worked with cranes, all day, every day - it was a funny project, sheet piles with an ICE hammer and a crane, not the round piles you are all probably used to seeing driven in with a normal rig.
Anyway every day we made about sixty or eighty picks with our crane. One of our guys used bowlines for everything - in part because it's a WCB approved knot for rigging - so I showed him the slipknot bowline thinking he would love it.
But even though he was pretty good with rope, and had tied thousands of bowlines and did it every day, the slipknot version never worked for him. But you know, I've tied thousands of bowlines myself and was also doing it every day on that job, and I did it that way about half the time, using the same rope and under the same conditions, and it ALWAYS worked!
But he was just as good at bowlines as me and at least as good at rigging cranes...so I don't think it's a skill issue at all. There must be some technique of where I am putting slack, or what tension I am using, or something, but it is completely unconscious because I couldn't tell why mine worked and his didn't.
Of course when I took over that operation he left and went to do rail joints with some serious solvent glue, and the last time I saw him he talked a little slow and I wouldn't trust him to safely rig a necktie these days!
So watch out...you never know where bowline skills will take you!
Incidentally is anyone else having a hard time not putting a "K" in front of every word that starts with "n" in this thread? I have had to delete about six "knevers" so far.
It's a funny thing, that slipknot bowline...when I was on a pile driving crew, we worked with cranes, all day, every day - it was a funny project, sheet piles with an ICE hammer and a crane, not the round piles you are all probably used to seeing driven in with a normal rig.
Anyway every day we made about sixty or eighty picks with our crane. One of our guys used bowlines for everything - in part because it's a WCB approved knot for rigging - so I showed him the slipknot bowline thinking he would love it.
But even though he was pretty good with rope, and had tied thousands of bowlines and did it every day, the slipknot version never worked for him. But you know, I've tied thousands of bowlines myself and was also doing it every day on that job, and I did it that way about half the time, using the same rope and under the same conditions, and it ALWAYS worked!
But he was just as good at bowlines as me and at least as good at rigging cranes...so I don't think it's a skill issue at all. There must be some technique of where I am putting slack, or what tension I am using, or something, but it is completely unconscious because I couldn't tell why mine worked and his didn't.
Of course when I took over that operation he left and went to do rail joints with some serious solvent glue, and the last time I saw him he talked a little slow and I wouldn't trust him to safely rig a necktie these days!
So watch out...you never know where bowline skills will take you!
Incidentally is anyone else having a hard time not putting a "K" in front of every word that starts with "n" in this thread? I have had to delete about six "knevers" so far.