This is not a hog; THIS IS THE! HOG!!!

[1894]

These are MY Opinions ,
That is impressive for an 11 year old . a .500 S&W is a big handgun.
The takeing of game animals in a fenced area ( whatever size ) is not my idea of hunting. If it is leagle , and someone wants to do it though , that's
thier right. If they want to pay for a trophy , fine . Some people don't have the time or place to do a fair chase hunt . Let thier concience guide them.
I've read that as many as 16 shots were fired and 3 hours for the animal to die. I do understand that often times an animal just does not realize that it's already dead and keeps going . I also understand that "buck fever " is not something you can duplicate at the range shooting at a piece of paper , and can easilly double the size of youre groups.
That being said , it seems that the kid ( kind of a pawn in this whole thing )
was not quite ready for this . Whatever the case , shot placement , excitement , ( I gut shot my first deer :thumbdn: ) , something was not right in the overall.
You don't have to be older , just better prepared , that is my very humble opinion.

This 10 year old girl is proof . Please click here
http://www.bear-hunting.com/news.cfm?Action=News&NewsFlashID=291
And get the story Of the near record size Brown bear.


The Brown bear :

She also bagged a Grizzley:

I know it's bad form to post a link to another forum , but , this the thread I found it on , With these pics and a couple more :
http://bearseast.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=tales&action=display&thread=1169790890

Phil

 

[Daniel Koster]

That video has every right to be posted; if others are made aware of this maybe, they will do something about it. Just because the elite has done it for centuries, surely does not make it right.

I agree with you...reread my post.

Any one that takes game in this manner should be labeled as a slob hunter/killer.

A .50cal round placed in the vitals of any North American animal will bring them down in short order.

Unfortunately...the link to the gun is now gone...but if I remember right...it is an S&W .500 with a muzzle compensator on it. The recoil is not as bad (though still significant). Apparently even an 11 yr old can shoot it.

When we did our hog hunts...they were intense! I can see this kid being scared & excited at the same time.

Not sure how much hog-hunting you've done...but the vitals on a hog are well protected...armored, in fact. The heart is down low between the front legs...and the chest cavity is protected on each side by a huge layer of fat as well as a "shield". We tried sticking a pickaxe in it postmortem...bounced off. This covers from the spine down to the heart. To stick it with a knife, you have to go in underneath or behind it.

THERE IS AN EXCEPTION to shooting through the shoulders! If you are shooting at a trophy boar, you must deal with "the shield". Over the entire chest cavity, boars develop a shield of cartilage like material. It is intended to protect them from the tusks of other boars in fighting over females and territory. This shield may be three inches through, or even thicker on a very large, old boar. It will stop arrows, shotgun slugs, black powder balls, even many modern cartridges. Only a deep penetrating type bullet will get through it to the vitals, but even that won't guarantee a recovered animal. Because of the way the shield is made, and the way deep penetrating bullets stay together, there is seldom ever a good blood trail. The hole just isn't big enough, and the body tissues plug it up. Virtually every body shot big boar we've ever recovered, has been done so by simply looking around until we stumbled upon it. There is a trackable blood trail on maybe one out of 50 shoulder hits on large boars.

(from a texas hunters website)

I am an avid bow hunter, so I know the difficulties of tracking game once shot. However, if you cannot deliver a lethal shot (bow or firearm) you owe that animal the respect of passing on the shot.

I agree....and hindsight is 20/20 too. I'm sure everybody there would have felt a lot better about it had they needed only one shot.

 

[BRASMAN]

If you get pork from a store it is not any different from what that Dad and his kid did. I am glad he got the chance to do it. I guess when they fence them in and kill them for the store it is more humain? I do not think there is any fear chase stuff going on then. Pork chops still taste good. I know plenty of people who have raised cows and gave them names and the kids called it a pet and when it was time it was steaks and roast. MMMM Good.

 

[troutfisher13111]

In all honesty, I've hunted in state forest parcels that are smaller than that

So have I, but that does not mean that because the woods are that small, that the animal is restricted to only that area.

 

[Thomas Linton]

If you get pork from a store it is not any different from what that Dad and his kid did. I am glad he got the chance to do it. I guess when they fence them in and kill them for the store it is more humain? I do not think there is any fear chase stuff going on then. Pork chops still taste good. I know plenty of people who have raised cows and gave them names and the kids called it a pet and when it was time it was steaks and roast. MMMM Good.

I eat meat. I worked in a slaughter house. Killing in the fashion that happened in this case is literally a crime in Ohio. Killing is to be "quick" and "humane," not slow torture that goes on for hours because the hunter is incompetent. A farmer and his assistant were recently arrested in Ohio for inhumane killing of pigs -- and this case is far worse.

IMO, its not on the kid. It's on his idiot dad, who doubtless wanted to "blood" his son.

 

[mete]

It's definitely an ethics question .It has always been the ethycal thing that if you kill an animal do it in a quick and least painful way. This has been true for thousands of years ,from Jewish dietary laws and many other groups, in the slaughtering process.An ethical hunter tries to shoot with an appropriate cartridge and at an appropriate distance .Always trying to get a clean one shot kill. Otherwise he doesn't take the shot !!

 

[DeadeyeLefty]

Hey all, first post for a lurker...
The reason that this bugs me is that, if I may paraphrase Tony, anything other than a kill shot is a miss. Pulling the trigger is just the end of a long process of studying and stalking your prey, and working within weather and terrain to best advantage. That is where the appeal lies for me. A weapon simply makes up for the stealth that we have lost over generations. What's their next trip, hunting rhinos in the zoo parking lot with a 22 ? Gimme a break....or maybe it's a just bowhunting thing. I rarely bag anything, but I see a lot that I could shoot at. When you do let fly after a day's stalking (I don't use blinds or 'stands but that's just a preference), see the vanes spinning like a tracer, and hear the arrow impact.....that's a good kill. Or maybe I'm missing something ?

 

[Tony Turner]

If you get pork from a store it is not any different from what that Dad and his kid did. I am glad he got the chance to do it. I guess when they fence them in and kill them for the store it is more humain? I do not think there is any fear chase stuff going on then. Pork chops still taste good. I know plenty of people who have raised cows and gave them names and the kids called it a pet and when it was time it was steaks and roast. MMMM Good.

You are comparing apples and orages here. Buying meat at a store and how a slaughter house dispatches the animals doesn't even come close to the events this father had his son do.
For those of you that say you have hunted on state forest land that is smaller than 150 acres, that's fine as long as it isn't fenced in a manner to keep wildlife from getting out.

 

[BRASMAN]

You are comparing apples and orages here. Buying meat at a store and how a slaughter house dispatches the animals doesn't even come close to the events this father had his son do.
For those of you that say you have hunted on state forest land that is smaller than 150 acres, that's fine as long as it isn't fenced in a manner to keep wildlife from getting out.

You are correct they do not come close because what the boy and the father did is more humain and if YOU purchase pork from a store YOU are participating in something less humain. You just pay someone else to slaughter the animal for you. There is no chance for it to run.

 

[Mick57]

An 11 year old accurately shooting & handling the recoil of a S & W 500??? That alone is hard to believe.........but needing 8 shots to torture & finally dispatch this animal says it all on that subject. If in fact it was the son who finally ended it. Looks to me like Dad needs more of an education on hunting ethics before offering life lessons to Jr.

 

[BRASMAN]

I am still dreaming about the size of the tenderloin on that thing.