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Shavru, I always buy with defense in mind, if possible.......but have laid on the couch 5 of 7 days this week just using the 19oz kvluk to do slow circular range of motion training and slow easy chopping. From overhead to shoulder level, just trying to get some strength and endurance back. So it'll be light stuff for a while. Basically a one pound weight in my hand........like the old ladies use while walking.......they'd be more impressive if they used kuks instead of those dinky weights, lol.
So I dont plan to really have a defensive use for the blade, but if I have the choice between two products and one also has defensive capabilities.......thats my choice. I doubt either style, thick or narrow, would be a bad choice. I do like how utilitarian the kvluk is, a nice hard use blade. So if I try the 19ish oz siru, chitlange, or gelbu (seems the same), id have two bases covered. And I can dream of the wwii for a while
I agree with you guys that a light siru, chit, would probably work well. As long as I stay around the 19oz's of my kvluk, + or - . The 17" versions seem to be about right. Then id have one of each blade design/balance, both about the same weight. As far as weeds or grass, im stuck with my KLO machete. Its already bent after one outing, and even that weight was.......not fun, still better on my back/neck than my latin machete. Ill probably be using my new silky saw alot more and phasing out the machete use. The low impact nature of the saw helps and I've never had one that cut so well and was so easy to use and control. Ie all the palms have huge seed pods that have to go before they ripen. Have to let them go too seed, the bees need them.
That small sword is just too sweet to pass up for long, even if I can never swing it.
So I dont plan to really have a defensive use for the blade, but if I have the choice between two products and one also has defensive capabilities.......thats my choice. I doubt either style, thick or narrow, would be a bad choice. I do like how utilitarian the kvluk is, a nice hard use blade. So if I try the 19ish oz siru, chitlange, or gelbu (seems the same), id have two bases covered. And I can dream of the wwii for a while
I agree with you guys that a light siru, chit, would probably work well. As long as I stay around the 19oz's of my kvluk, + or - . The 17" versions seem to be about right. Then id have one of each blade design/balance, both about the same weight. As far as weeds or grass, im stuck with my KLO machete. Its already bent after one outing, and even that weight was.......not fun, still better on my back/neck than my latin machete. Ill probably be using my new silky saw alot more and phasing out the machete use. The low impact nature of the saw helps and I've never had one that cut so well and was so easy to use and control. Ie all the palms have huge seed pods that have to go before they ripen. Have to let them go too seed, the bees need them.
That small sword is just too sweet to pass up for long, even if I can never swing it.
Shavru, I always buy with defense in mind, if possible.......but have laid on the couch 5 of 7 days this week just using the 19oz kvluk to do slow circular range of motion training and slow easy chopping. From overhead to shoulder level, just trying to get some strength and endurance back. So it'll be light stuff for a while. Basically a one pound weight in my hand........like the old ladies use while walking.......they'd be more impressive if they used kuks instead of those dinky weights, lol.
So I dont plan to really have a defensive use for the blade, but if I have the choice between two products and one also has defensive capabilities.......thats my choice. I doubt either style, thick or narrow, would be a bad choice. I do like how utilitarian the kvluk is, a nice hard use blade. So if I try the 19ish oz siru, chainpure, or gelbu (seems the same), id have two bases covered. And I can dream of the wwii for a while
I agree with you guys that a light siru, chit, would probably work well. As long as I stay around the 19oz's of my kvluk, + or - . The 17" versions seem to be about right. Then id have one of each blade design/balance, both about the same weight. As far as weeds or grass, im stuck with my KLO machete. Its already bent after one outing, and even that weight was.......not fun, still better on my back/neck than my latin machete. Ill probably be using my new silky saw alot more and phasing out the machete use. The low impact nature of the saw helps and I've never had one that cut so well and was so easy to use and control. Ie all the palms have huge seed pods that have to go before they ripen. Have to let them go too seed, the bees need them.
That small sword is just too sweet to pass up for long, even if I can never swing it.
So I dont plan to really have a defensive use for the blade, but if I have the choice between two products and one also has defensive capabilities.......thats my choice. I doubt either style, thick or narrow, would be a bad choice. I do like how utilitarian the kvluk is, a nice hard use blade. So if I try the 19ish oz siru, chainpure, or gelbu (seems the same), id have two bases covered. And I can dream of the wwii for a while
I agree with you guys that a light siru, chit, would probably work well. As long as I stay around the 19oz's of my kvluk, + or - . The 17" versions seem to be about right. Then id have one of each blade design/balance, both about the same weight. As far as weeds or grass, im stuck with my KLO machete. Its already bent after one outing, and even that weight was.......not fun, still better on my back/neck than my latin machete. Ill probably be using my new silky saw alot more and phasing out the machete use. The low impact nature of the saw helps and I've never had one that cut so well and was so easy to use and control. Ie all the palms have huge seed pods that have to go before they ripen. Have to let them go too seed, the bees need them.
That small sword is just too sweet to pass up for long, even if I can never swing it.
If I were going with another style, the biggest id go for is my 7 1/2" bowie, bought it to take to the first gulf war, 23yrs old now. But its slow, my 6" search and rescue isn't nearly as deep and is very fast (kabar ish with a better handle).... but the curved blade offers better blocking, trapping, defecting options. Plus its far heavier before it feels slow and bulky for me. If my bowie weighed the same as my kvluk, I couldn't use it.
If I were going with another style, the biggest id go for is my 7 1/2" bowie, bought it to take to the first gulf war, 23yrs old now. But its slow, my 6" search and rescue isn't nearly as deep and is very fast (kabar ish with a better handle).... but the curved blade offers better blocking, trapping, defecting options. Plus its far heavier before it feels slow and bulky for me. If my bowie weighed the same as my kvluk, I couldn't use it.
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Falcatas are not very common. With some of the older kamis coming back we might see a Falcata or 2 made again. But it has been a long time since they were made by HI and they were not very common back then from what I can find. I count myself exceptionally lucky that one managed to find it's way to me. And believe me it was not a very straight path LOL, it relied on a couple of people being very gracious or it wouldn't have happened.
Should you see one available I can see where it might not be the perfect fit for you to use, but owning it is never going to be a bad thing. Sometimes blades are just meant to be enjoyed for what they are. I would never think of using some of my antique nihonto for tameshigiri or self defense, but I do enjoy owning them anyways.
Should you see one available I can see where it might not be the perfect fit for you to use, but owning it is never going to be a bad thing. Sometimes blades are just meant to be enjoyed for what they are. I would never think of using some of my antique nihonto for tameshigiri or self defense, but I do enjoy owning them anyways.
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I have a falcata on special order, so I assume a couple will be made at the same time to sell on the dotd, so expect a few in a year or so-- and gotta agree with shav, no practical use really, but its a really fine example of a hand made sword, and one of the most important swords in history.-- this is why I just love the falcata and khopis, they forged the first western empire
OTE=Shavru;13889562]Falcatas are not very common. With some of the older kamis coming back we might see a Falcata or 2 made again. But it has been a long time since they were made by HI and they were not very common back then from what I can find. I count myself exceptionally lucky that one managed to find it's way to me. And believe me it was not a very straight path LOL, it relied on a couple of people being very gracious or it wouldn't have happened.
Should you see one available I can see where it might not be the perfect fit for you to use, but owning it is never going to be a bad thing. Sometimes blades are just meant to be enjoyed for what they are. I would never think of using some of my antique nihonto for tameshigiri or self defense, but I do enjoy owning them anyways.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right about that, I dont think I could pass if the opportunity came my way.
Should you see one available I can see where it might not be the perfect fit for you to use, but owning it is never going to be a bad thing. Sometimes blades are just meant to be enjoyed for what they are. I would never think of using some of my antique nihonto for tameshigiri or self defense, but I do enjoy owning them anyways.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right about that, I dont think I could pass if the opportunity came my way.
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what is so amazing is that the kami can turn out so many different kinds of blade and they all remain uniquely "kami made" but still functional art. like the spear vala/smatchet, and falcata, pretty much everything on their "special runs" page shows how awesome they are even when going outside of tradition for nepal.
Special runs page????? Now im really in trouble.
Just spent $300 at linen store for specialty pillows (wedges and the like). Or id have already placed an order for the small balance villager or that 13" chiruwal (sp). Theyd look good on my table.....im just going to pretend like I didnt hear about a "special runs page", else ill have to sell off a few grandkids.....
Just spent $300 at linen store for specialty pillows (wedges and the like). Or id have already placed an order for the small balance villager or that 13" chiruwal (sp). Theyd look good on my table.....im just going to pretend like I didnt hear about a "special runs page", else ill have to sell off a few grandkids.....
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Xylum. You inspired me to map out (literally) some blades. I made a rough contour map of the Single Fuller Chitlangi and the regular double fuller Chitlangi and found some interesting results. Each line represents an equal thickness across the blade in 1mm intervals up to 5mm. Basically i set my calipers to 1mm and marked across the edge then connected the dots. Then repeat with 2mm and so on.
From left to right is 17.5" Chitlangi (Tirtha), 21" Single Fuller Chitlangi (Tirtha), Chiruwa Ang Khola (Kumar), and 21" Sirupati (Tirtha). The CAK is a chopper and has a very thick or obtuse edge which means the contour lines will be closer together representing a high slope. A thinner edge means the contour lines will be farther apart and more acute (thinner). When I mapped the Chits I thought they would be the same but found out the Single Fuller Chit actually has a thinner edge than the double fuller since the first fuller is closer to the edge. Notice the 21" Siru starts out with a steep or thick edge up to about 2mm then tapers down gradually (more convexed). This puts more strength behind the edge without adding extra weight like the CAK. Since CAK is a dedicated chopper then the extra weight is advantageous and the 5mm contour is about 1/2" from the edge where the 5mm mark on the Single Fuller Chit is over an inch from the edge.
Here are a few more blades of interest. The Gelbu Special on the left which was designed to have an edge much like the Ang Khola for chopping but is lightened by a deep fuller. Note the contours are very similar to the CAK in first pic. The blade on the right is the KLVUK much like the Chits but slightly more obtuse. There are many ways to distribute the weights for each task but I thought these were probably closest to what you were looking for. This is all generalized of course and differs between Kamis but this is interesting to me how well the Kamis control these profiles between each style of blade and they are very good at it. I feel pretty sure if I did AK Bowies or other blades I would find similar results. These guys are very very good and still fascinate me!
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No not really! They always teach you to stay between the lines. I would color first then draw the lines
My penmanship was probably worst in class. But only because Gehazi wasnt in my class
My penmanship was probably worst in class. But only because Gehazi wasnt in my class
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Dr. Gehazi? Sir Gehazi? Lol! Dont feel bad brother! Mines about the same! Luckily we dont have to write prescriptions for each other
ndoghouse, That is awesome. I love seeing the profiles on those. Confirms that I want a light 21" chit with the double fullers. The profile on the single fuller chit matches what mine looks like. The KLVUK seems to have a hint of a hollow grind, just like mine. My KLVUK has a thin edge, great for most stuff, but I have to be careful with heavy chopping.
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Cool xylum! Glad you found the maps useful. I learned a few things myself that were not so obvious until I did this for example my Siru doesnt have a symmetrical convex. It starts out thick then tapers down slowly. A 20" Siru is a fine blade as well and would probably fit you needs closely as long as the weight is in the range you like but im with you on the beauty of the Chitlangi:thumbup: