Thoughts on the altoid style MINI-KIT

Originally posted by Charles Gallo
I went the other way - Bloodstopper trauma bandages, contrictors, etc.
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"Where do you get those wonderful toys."

Oh, and where do these mini-compasses come from? Are they all the same (+/- 10%) or are there big differences.

I second V Shrake's condom ideas. Even if you did put, say one quart in it, how would you carry it? Where would you store it. How many times can you tie one off and untie it (if any)?
 
Catching a meal of fish in Central Park.....piegons......well..... not quite what's happening in the real world, but maybe a nice image for a si-fi story....
 
Actually, maury, it's what's happening everyday in Central Park RIGHT NOW. Homeless people are survivalists by definition, and I'm sure many of them get food this way. How hard would it be to "snare" a winged rat that's used to people feeding it? And while foraging in Central Park (or any other large, urban, park) might not be feasible right now, it's easy to contemplate when it might be needed. How about a large scale reccesion or loss of transportation brining food into big cities? It's only science fiction until it happens to you.
 
Maury, Pigeons are a staple food of the homeless in NY City. I have read several articles about the poor and homeless eating pigeons. I don't know about fish in Central Park, but pigeons are very easy to catch, and they are good eating. In the finer resturants, they are called squab. I used to be security chief for a company that owned a bunch of apartment bldgs in Atlanta. Many times I caught tenents snaring pigeons. The best was when I caught a tenent climbing out of the dumpster with 3 coons. There is a lot of food running around in the city, but sometimes we have to change our ideas about what we consider food.:D
V you must have posted while I was still typing. Many times while the various do-gooders were checking on the homeless, they would find feathers etc. from pigeons. I spent 2 yrs running all over Atlanta checking on the company properties, and it isn't just the homeless eating pigeons, a lot of the poor people catch some of their food. The man I caught with the 3 coons told me that he had been catching coons in that dumpster for years. It's not science fiction, it's fact right now. People are surviving , and don't even know that they are survivalists. :eek: :D
 
even in 3-5 day after sept 11 places were running out.

whether sci-fi or not you still have to have a backup plan.

a kyak or some such water transport and a mini-kit :D to stay with the thread.
 
I've been in LE for dam* close to 25 years now and I've seen homeless folks snaring wild and tame game up to and including small dogs. Poulanta meow is a fan favorite in these parts, too. When folks are hungry, they'll find a way to eat, no matter what - even if it means raiding the dumpster at Mickey D's. Seeing their creativity first hand is amazing sometimes ... from the high quality homemade shank knives to watching one sew up his clothes with a chicken bone needle. Someone once said that if this world were destroyed, the survivors would be a cockroach, a rat, a coyote and a whitetail deer. I'd be willing to bet there'd be a homeless person there hunting them, too.

Mike
 
Just to be clear: there never was any shortage of food anywhere in New York City after Sept. 11; some deliveries were delayed on the 12th and 13 as security measures went into place on bridges and tunnels, and there was a short burst of "panic buying" on the afternoon of the 11th, but just about all stores in all our neighborhoods remained opened, and their shelves stocked.

Fishing in Central Park would be a futile exercise: all the ponds are closed systems with no outside feeders and no fish; one small lake at the north end is occasionally stocked for children's sport fishing, but that is it. As to eating pigeons, while they might be popular in other parts of the country, there are many other, abundant sources of food for the homeless here - and absolutely no evidence that homeless people have resorted to catching them here. There are also no aligators in our sewers....

A squab, by the way, is genetically prretty close to a pigeon, but is a totally different bird. Although the way some restaurants prepare it, you could probably fool me.......

Anyway, to be reduced to catching pigeons by necessity would have to mean that things had deteriorated to where Manhattan was no longer a habitable part of the world. Sure that's possible, but at that point, people would be long gone - one way or another! - and the question's purely moot. And moot points are fine for debating, but in the real world, I will choose to be as best prepared as I can with real solutions for survival.

And hey, I really don't mean to be offensive, but as a native New Yorker it sometimes really bugs me to hear folks from other parts of the country posting all these unfounded "facts" about my hometown.
 
Maury, tell us more about your pry bar. Size, weight, manufacturer etc. The stuff I've seen on web searches look a bit long for EDC.
What do you carry?
John.

PS, I couldn't agree more with you about fishing in Central Park, though I suppose the Hudson is clean enough to fish out of now, though you wouldn't want to do so for a long time!
 
Maury,

I was born in Brooklyn and lived in NY for 25 years. My brother lives in the east village and my parents work in NYC daily.

The reports of food shortages were reported on the news and my brother who is not even close to a prepared person let alone a "survivalist" said that some stores in the east village were running low. I am only saying this so you know I am not talking out of my A$$.
I am sure they were exaggerated in the heat of the moment.
but you have to admit that it wouldn't be hard to cut off food supplies to Manhattan. Making day to day living extremely difficult.

Are you so confident in the local groceries that you don't have any back up food caches in your apt?


even my father who is not a prepared person normally bought some groceries, water and sterno for back ups because it is after recomended by the FEMA. FEMA recomends every household have an emergency back up of food and living supplies and kit(BOB).
 
Got this at Weber's - there are a few around town, mine came from the one across the street from the 42nd St Library. A bit over a foot long, traditional 'j" shaped crow bar style, crudly made in India and it set me back .99 plus tax.

You will probably find others in the ".99" shops and similar discount places. Nothing pretty, but an easy-to-carry size and seems like it will do the job in an emergency. I wrapped the ends in duct tape to keep it from cutting through my bag. I also bought a second one for my wife to keep in the desk draw of her office - she works in mid-town.

And just to give proper credit, the idea was a suggestion from another Forum member. Thanks!
 
Chrisaloia,

Of course I have emergency supplies in my apartment, a precaution that predates 9-11. And, yea I have added to it since then.

No offence to your brother, but those reports of food shortages were way, way out of line. I live at sort of the eastern edge of the west Village (sorry, other Forumites are going to be scratching their heads over this interchange.....) so, I shop in both areas. Some shops may have run low for a day or two after 9-11, but there never was any indication that there were any actual shortages of food or anything else.

Some hardware stores really ripped off customers on dust masks for a few days - smoke and dust from the WTC were pretty bad for a time in lower Manhattan. And every surplus store that had anything like a gas mask or haz-met suit made out pretty well. Even items labeled in Chinese and Russian sold well for that week!
 
no offence taken:)

thanks for repying.

this was a good debate all around really helped me understand more on the mini. sometimes someone who takes the opposite veiw teaches you more cause it forces you to question and formulate ideas.

thanks

chris
 
Maury,I would upgrade that bar if it was me.You don't carry a dollar store knife right? Go to a home center and buy a small quality bar,or for what the pro's use try. www.firemarktools.com .Also take a look at the shove knife,small,light and I can open the door on the firehouse with it faster than I can punching 3 numbers and turning the knob.Stay safe.
 
granfors bruks makes pry bars too, under the name tove.

I would bet that they are pretty good ones as well.

Ben
 
Hi all. Maury, thank's for the heads up on the pry bar. My visit to the 99 cent store was unavailing but I found what I needed in a $2.99 bin at a local hardware store. A mini by Stanley, made in the USA, about 7" long in the traditional J shape. Fairly thin and quite light so it's an easy carry. I don't see using this to "deconstruct" a car, but fine for my purposes! Thank's again!
John.
 
Originally posted by Clint Simpson


"Where do you get those wonderful toys."

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sorry about the late reply - the bloodstoppers came from Galls http://www.galls.com ditto things like the trauma pads and EMT shears - that, or make friends with an EMT

Constrictor? That's just some rubber surgical tube, most GOOD drug stores will have that (think about the last time you had blood drawn)
 
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