Thoughts on Urban Survival

Discussion in 'Wilderness & Survival Skills' started by B Griffin, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    @B Griffin This is an OLD thread that I felt like bringing back to life. I have really enjoyed reading back through this thread. It is still relevant with the talk of urban survival, urban craft, woods craft and so forth of late. Many do not search back to the old threads and read (like me). This old thread serves as background to perhaps a newer discussion.

    Brian, how much have things changed in Chattanooga from your perspective? You moved to Michigan and moved back. The police have been "attacking" the gang situation here. I think it has gotten a little better in the sense that things are less visible. But gangs are really a problem here in general. There have been drive by shootings over the last couple of years. It is shocking to me that it happens in Chattanooga and I'm sure it is happening in a lot of smaller cities. Drugs are still a problem. The drugs change, but the overall problem remains. Homelessness seems to be fairly static in the sense that you see folks but the numbers here are not significant or merit much attention like some of the West Coast cities.

    Things should be better with the unemployment rate below 4% now. With the unemployment rate so low, if you see people who obviously don't work and are young, they deserve paying attention to.

    Since this thread started, all knives have been legalized in TN. It is generally legal to carry guns (discreetly) in parks as far as I know.
     
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  2. B Griffin

    B Griffin Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2007
    Funny how much we think alike sometimes. I was just thinking about Reviving it to show the differences , so now that it has then Resurrected I will do a 10 years later response sometime in the next couple of days. We haven't had any problems with the gang since then, thank goodness and that has been something I celebrate. But a few weeks ago I found a rather disturbing sight in the park and had to help get rid of that, but I'll discuss that more when I make the next post
     
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  3. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    I almost never go down town. I seldom visit any urban parks. Haven't done River Bend in the last 5 years. Occasionally wander around near Chickamauga Dam and the trail there but not around down town. When there is a shooting, the newspaper shows the location and on the same link you can see symbols showing most of the shootings. There are far more than one would expect for a small city which I attribute to minorities and gangs.
     
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  4. B Griffin

    B Griffin Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2007
    Though as with any city there are still street people and panhandlers walking the sidewalks and asking for change, the mass transit gets interesting at night, and the area of the amphitheater under Riverside Drive on the south shore gets a bit sketchy and worrisome at night, things are a lot better around the north shore area than it was when I started writing this thread ten years ago. The intermittent presence of police cruisers and the onsite armed security has kept the gangs from reestablishing any presence once they were pushed out of the parks and back into their own neighborhoods. And that's up to the people of those neighborhoods to take on, I don't like even going through a lot of them, and I try to avoid them. The majority of the shootings in Chattanooga have historically been in the area bordered by East 3rd st., Holtzclaw, Chamberlain, and Glass St., and i think they still are. East lake and east Chattanooga have also always been problem areas that still are. But at least the vast majority of the area between Riverfront Parkway and Main St and Carter over to about Central Ave are much better than they were back in the 70s. There is a lot of revitalization going on down town.

    We did have an issue with someone that some of us learned was a pedophile, with a long history of doing bad things, setting up a camp in a local park. But he was pretty obvious and drew attention to himself and was soon arrested and taken away. Him putting a little girl's dress on what seemed to be an odd sort of prominent display amid all the random chaos, of what to me looked more like a cul de sac sort of ambush site than a homeless camp at the end was what finally set off the biggest red flags. Before that the main complaint was him being trashy.

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  5. milesofalaska

    milesofalaska Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

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    Dec 4, 2010
    Yes a topic that should be considered, discussed. My personal answer is to live someplace where I am not as worried about 'what if.' So I do not stress out. I'm now, due to health reasons as a senior, more in civilization. My small community of Nenana Alaska has 300 people.... but depends on one road for supplies with a bridge across a river. We get earthquakes, floods, and power outages. Supply lines fail. Power could potentially go out for weeks to months. We are not so far away from a top secret strategically important military base that could potentially be a target in a war. I like that the community is aware, and as a community discuss various plans. Such as the highest ground is the school, so if there is a flood head for the school to stay, drop off supplies, help others etc. We discuss food stashes and such in case of supply lines cut off. We teach some simple survival, how to put up food, stay warm, ways to live without electric and such. I like the idea of 'just 300 people.' I am more likely in an emergency to know them, know who to trust, who is capable, who to partner up with etc. We are a subsistence village so a lot of knowledge of wilderness survival, homestead, remote life , use of sled dogs, gardening, making your own power, and such topics. A big issue in a more civilized place as you discuss is defense. Riots, looting, bad people surviving off 'you,' who is known ot have stockpiled gear 'they,' want. I just see in the news what happens when the power goes off for a few hours. It seems harder to have the mentality of wanting to hurt people to survive when you know everyone. I like to think, more likely to be willing to work together. As seems proven by being concerned by the potential, and having a community plan. My view as well is... a disaster may not be immediate! But is already upon us! "Now!" Money tight not everyone can afford the minimal survival stuff- food costs rent getting beyond more peoples means to take care of themselves. Pollution on the rise, inability to get medical help, all adding to the stress of everyone, road rage, random senseless no survival behavior we all are effected by. We all have a plan for wherever we are in defense of a lifestyle we believe in and trust and or are good at.
    Much can not be planned on! I was a homesteader 100 miles in the wilds with a lifetime of supplies! Food, tools, guns, a way to take care of everything required to support life. Whatever the rest of the world did was not my business, I had my own battle plan. Till a forest fire wiped it all out. It was civilization that saved my bacon. Others I knew had health issues and so their fortress in the wilds had to be walked away from. Time changes all things. We cannot foresee the future for certainty, so my thought is to remain adaptable. Have the ability to change, accept it adopt, prosper. under a variety of conditions. Develop a variety of skills. For example I became among other things aq knife maker, keeping in mind no matter where you are, you need a knife. A very tradable skill useful in every environment. Trade knives for transportation, food etc etc. I look around, we are not talking some potential future disaster. We have already arrived. We are already in ending times. The Lemming are going off the cliff. Not a stampede yet.... but unexplainable weirdness. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6rGYHPMIY0mjRI1K0-D6M6RNS7BDD7c I have some Utube of interest, on topic.
     
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