Thougts on the 11-11

Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
1,528
I typed an eloquent write-up about the 11-11 and near the end, the app I was using crashed and I lost it all. I'll gonna give it another go.

I was lucky enough to have a good friend at Blade this year Proxy it for me, along with a couple 4-11s.

I expected it to be SYKCO's version of the Basic 11 and I thought that it would be a bit redundant being that I own most of the popular Bussekin Res-C Choppers, including a few of the amazing 1311s. Man was I wrong. The 11-11 is a new kind of Beast and it is hungry.

I didn't expect the 11-11 to be as awesome as it is. When I first grabbed it by the handle, gravity kicked in and the blade angled downwards quite a big. It takes a little bit of muscle to hold the blade straight, if that makes sense. The balance of the blade is EXTREMELY blade heavy. I'll come back to that later.

At 21.6 ounces, 11.5" long with no real choil, .264" thick the 11-11 is a beast. To put the weight into perspective, the exposed tang Busse Bushwhacker Mistress is roughly an ounce heavier.
Compare the specs of the 11-11, listed at the end of this post, to other high value Res-C Bussekin knives that fall into the Chopper category:

1311 (SR101) = 18.8 oz.; .1875"; 13.5"; 18.25" oal
Dog Father CG (SR77) = 20.1 oz; .275”; 10” blade; 15.125” oal
Dog Father LE (SR77) = 17 oz; .25”; 10.0625” blade; 15.125” oal
Basic 10 LE (choiless - smaller ricasso) = 14.4 oz
Basic 11 CG = 17.2 oz; .26”; 11.25” blade; 16.25" oal
(Specs & Weights of Swamp Rat, Busse & Scrap Yard Knives)

When it comes to big Busse & Kin knives, their are two types:

1. The first is light enough to effortlessly wear on your belt when covering a lot of ground when hiking, camping, survival training, et. al. Another feature of these blades is that they are light enough to be multi-purpose. For example, I used the B-11 for months on survival training trips as a small machete to clear trails and as a chopper to prep fires and for other tasks.

A good portion of the Res-C blades fall into this category: the 1311; DF LE; Basic 11; Basic 10; et. al. When I first heard that I got an 11-11,,because I love the 1311 so much and I thought it would be basically the same thing, just a shorter. That's what it looks like, but it certainly is a completely different knife. If you own a 1311 and were on the fence about getting an 11-11.

2. The second type are just straight up badA$$ choppers There really is only one that comes to mind, the Dog Father CG. Well, SYKCO has added another bada$$ chopper to its arsenal - the 11-11. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Dog Father has been replaced by any means. It is still a must have and I will be keeping a few of mine, including my user, which I tend bring along when I'm just chopping for fun. I have also carried the Dog Father on a survival training mission where we covered 7 miles or so (It helped having Rainwalker's Split drop loop sheath).

Sure, with a good sheath you can carry the Dog Father and 11-11 with you, but they will get heavy real fast when you're trying to clear a path for miles at a time. Without a good sheath, and that long and heavy blade is gonna get real uncomfortable against your leg. I suppose you can strap it to your pack, but I always like to have a big blade handy strongside and a smaller one weak side or piggybacked.

Back to the 11-11 being a Chopper. The fact that it is so blade heavy makes it a great chopper. When I chop, especially with Res-C, I don't put much force into my swing. Instead, I drop my arm and use a flick of the wrist to generate velocity right before impact. I have found this to be a very effective and efficient way to chop wood, because you are not tiring yourself out and you are still getting a lot of power.

If you are looking for a Res-C chopper, I highly recommend the 11-11 and think that it's well worth the price. I think that it could be the one of, if not the best Res-C chopper to ever come out of Wauseon. I still think that the Dog Father is king, but think mine will be taking a break while I break in the new 11-11. If you want something with a little more versatility but with less brute force, go with the 1311, B-11 or any of the others that I listed in that category.

A drawback to the sabre ground in this case is the fact that the metal is thicker behind the edge bevel. I think it will still chop very well, but I will definitely be re-profiling the edge when I get a chance.

I will try to rewrite this when my eyes aren't half closed.

Thank you Dan and the rest of the crew for creating such awesome blades!

I am amazed that I have not heard much buzz about the 11-11. I'd love to hear some feedback from you all.

11-11 Specs:
Blade length: 11.5
Blade thickness: .264
Blade height: 1 13/16"
Overall Length: 16"
Blade Grind: Saber
Steel Type: SR101
Handle Type: Black Res-c
Finish: Black Powder Coat
Weight: 21.6 oz
Issue Price: 209.95 (179.95 at blade)
Issue Date: Blade 2013
 
Last edited:
A few comparison pics that I snapped real quick. I shouldn't be doing this on a Friday Night.
B-11amp1111amp4-11s_zps1c994ac9.jpg

3360ac91-22a4-4f8e-9957-00459c6dafc2_zpse99e52c3.jpg

1311amp1111Length_zps8e4adc69.jpg

1311amp1111SpineShot_zps304831fd.jpg


With one of my Dog Fathers
e1d4152c-dab1-41c1-a6e7-be49fb0f3f94_zps638361c3.jpg

1111ampDFSpineShot_zps2187208d.jpg
 
Last edited:
Looking forward to hear more and thank you for your time reviewing this beast!
If my review is a bit lame because I haven't slept in days and can't keep my eyes open. I posted a few comparison that I took in my home and on Sunday I will post some pics after my camping trip. I have most of the Res-C SY and Busse choppers and a few full tang, so if you want to see any specific comparison shots, let me know
 
Last edited:
Great review! Thanks! I've been hoping someone would do this. One question. Is the blade height, edge to spine, more than the 1311? I didn't see it listed for the 1311 but it looks like it in the pics.
 
Great review! Thanks! I've been hoping someone would do this. One question. Is the blade height, edge to spine, more than the 1311? I didn't see it listed for the 1311 but it looks like it in the pics.
Yes, it is taller than the 1311. If you line them up with the 1311 on top, you can see the entire edge and maybe a mm of black. You're making me want to measure them with my calipers. According to the specs, it is 1.8125" tall, whereas the 1311 is 1.75". When I get a chance, I'll take some measurements, because it seems like a bit more than a difference of .05125", or 1.30175 mm.
 
Yeah it looks like it in the pics. That would be a good pic with the 1311 on top. Where do you think each would excel? I'm guessing the 1111 is a better chopper and 1311 is more of a traditional machete? Dang now I REALLY want an 1111.
 
Hmmm, I hadn't realized the 1111 is thicker than the 1311, something to consider.

I still love my 1311 though, great machete, but I'm not so sure about hardcore chopping on seasoned wood.

Can't beat the price point over a big Busse chopper, but the return probably isn't as good either.

Satin?
 
hmm... the only reason this one interests me is the potential for a HEAVY chopper. I love my 1311, and wouldn't have any use for a similar blade that was 2" shorter, but if it's heavier and chops better, i just might be on board
 
I knew Id like a 1111 to go with my 1311 however now this thread makes me want a Dogfather as well. Haha Busse and kin are such a sickness and I love it.
 
Yeah it looks like it in the pics. That would be a good pic with the 1311 on top. Where do you think each would excel? I'm guessing the 1111 is a better chopper and 1311 is more of a traditional machete? Dang now I REALLY want an 1111.
I tried taking the picture, but with my camera and the lighting available, you couldn't really tell. 11-11 would excel as a chopper, where 1311 is more of a hybrid chopper/machete. It does both well enough for me to rely on carrying it for trail clearing and chopping for camp prep without a machete or a chopper in New Hampshire, but I don't think I'd rely on it as my sole machete in the amazon, nor would I enter it into a chopping competition.

Flux, can you take a photo demonstrating where the balance point is on the 1111? Is it more forward weighted than the 1311?
Here's a picture of the 1111's balance point. The 1311's balance point is a little bit more blade forward, but that's expected since it's longer.

3tcv.jpg
 
Last edited:
Think saber ground NMFBM with comfy res-c:)

Yep!!

In my original post, I think I said Dog Father is to (CG)FBM as 11-11 is to NMFBM. Although the NMFBM has the advantage because of weight and the grind, I'll bet I could chop down a tree quicker with the 11-11 than with the NMFBM. Don't get me wrong, the NMFBM is at the top of the food chain of Busse's choppers and it is an incredible knife, but the 11-11 is more usable to me than the NMFBM. Owning an NMFBM is a lot of fun though kids. I sold mine because I couldn't get used the the handle and I could never think of a situation where I would need it. Also, the sheath I had for it made carrying it a chore.
 
Your IMG code was backwards you had the [/IMG] up front and the at the end, just reversed them and it worked..... :)

Thanks for the pics, might help me decide one way or another on this one. I don't find myself needing a machete much out here, so maybe this one makes more sense than the 1311.

[quote="<Flux>, post: 12332289"]Here's a picture of the 1111's balance point. The 1311's balance point is a little bit more blade forward, but that's expected since it's longer.

[IMG]http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7595/3tcv.jpg[/QUOTE]
 
I really like the 911 also very packable knife. It may not be the King of anything, but it works good. I'm looking to pick up a couple of 11-11's if they come available. I really like Res-C also.

 
Last edited:
Back
Top