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Just to note... the SR-71 use JP-8 fuel... a jelly-like fuel substance to help minimize the leaking (JP-4 in contrast is more the consistency of kerosene/gasoline). JP-8 also has some additional properties needed for the SR-71... If I recall correctly, JP-8 was designed originally for use in the SR. I'm not sure, but I also think it has a greater density than other jet fuel (due to it's gelatinous consistency) and is probably heavy in comparison.

ON EDIT: We used to get transient SRs in at Davis Monthan AZ on occasion... I got the chance to do a "hands on" walk around with one of the pilots. First time I was ever told by another pilot that I couldn't sit in his seat (for that matter, he wouldn't even let me LOOK into the cockpit to see his seat).... His TS clearance was "bigger" than my TS clearance.:D
 
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They had to develop JP8 because regular jet fuel would not withstand the heat in flight. (You could throw a burning cigaret into a pan of JP8 and it would not ignite.) Right before it got pumped into the combustion chamber, a special catalyst was added so it would burn.

JP8 has a somewhat different smell than regular fuel too.
 
Nice to see so much interest in such a remarkable aircraft, definitely ahead of its time. I learned a good deal researching it a few minutes ago, I never realized that its performance was "anemic" until it got to higher speeds. The engines are a work of art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-71_Blackbird#Engines

The Pratt & Whitney J58-P4 engines used in the Blackbird were the only military engines ever designed to operate continuously on afterburner, and actually became more efficient as the aircraft went faster. Each J58 engine could produce 32,500 lbf (145 kN) of static thrust. Conventional jet engines cannot operate continuously on afterburner and lose efficiency as airspeed increases.

The J58 was unique in that it was a hybrid jet engine. It could operate as a regular turbojet at low speeds, but at high speeds it became a ramjet. The engine can be thought of as a turbojet engine inside a ramjet engine. At lower speeds, the turbojet provided most of the compression and most of the energy from fuel combustion. At higher speeds, the turbojet throttled back and just sat in the middle of the engine as air bypassed around it, having been compressed by the shock cones and only burning fuel in the afterburner.

In detail, air was initially compressed (and thus also heated) by the shock cones, which generated shock waves that slowed the air down to subsonic speeds relative to the engine. The air then passed through four compressor stages and was split by moveable vanes: some of the air entered the compressor fans ("core-flow" air), while the rest of the air went straight to the afterburner (via six bypass tubes). The air traveling on through the turbojet was further compressed (and thus further heated), and then fuel was added to it in the combustion chamber: it then reached the maximum temperature anywhere in the Blackbird, just under the temperature where the turbine blades would start to soften. After passing through the turbine (and thus being cooled somewhat), the core-flow air went through the afterburner and met with any bypass air.

At around Mach 3, the increased heating from the shock cone compression, plus the heating from the compressor fans, was already enough to get the core air to high temperatures, and little fuel could be added in the combustion chamber without the turbine blades melting. This meant the whole compressor-combustor-turbine set-up in the core of the engine provided less power, and the Blackbird flew predominantly on air bypassed straight to the afterburners, forming a large ramjet effect. No other aircraft does this. (This shows how the temperature tolerance of the turbine blades in a jet engine determine how much fuel can be burned, and thus to a great extent determine how much thrust a jet engine can provide.)[19]

Performance at low speeds was anemic. Even passing the speed of sound required the aircraft to dive. The reason was that the size of the turbojets was traded to reduce weight but to still allow the SR-71 to reach speeds where the ramjet effect became prominent and efficient; then, the airplane came alive, so to speak, and rapidly accelerated to Mach 3.2. The efficiency was then good due to high compression and low drag through the engine, and this permitted large distances to be covered at high speed.

Originally, the Blackbird's engines started up with the assistance of an external "start cart", a cart containing two Buick Wildcat V8 engines which was rolled underneath the aircraft. The two Buick engines powered a single, vertical driveshaft connecting to a single J58 engine. Once one engine was started, the cart was wheeled over to the other side of the aircraft to start the other engine. The operation was deafening. Eventually, a quieter, pneumatic start system was developed for use at Blackbird main operating bases, but the start carts remained in the inventory to support recovery team Blackbird starts at diversion landing sites not equipped to start J-58 engines.
 
Always had a soft spot for the SR-71. Concorde, another beautiful and fast plane, carried a lot of fuel.
My cousin used to fly between Edinburgh and London regularly. When BA started a shuttle service they put Concorde onto the first flight for publicity. The captain announced that they would not be flying supersonic but, as it was such a short slow run, they had a tiny amount of fuel on board so would be going for a max acceleration take off. My cousin was impressed.
 
The SR-71 is my SECOND favorite US aircraft. Here is my THIRD favorite US aircraft... the B-58 Hustler. Another plane that was WAY ahead of it's time! I was able to walk the whole row of them in the "bone yard" at Davis Monthan AFB in Tucson... just a cool plane.:cool: (just an interesting note... something I didn't realize... they used LIVE BEARS to test the ejection system!:eek::eek:)

"Only YOU can prevent..." PULL... BOOM... "AAHHHHHHHHH FOREST FIRES!"

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NICE! The Hustler was awesome. While we're at it, how about the "Ultimate Interceptor" - the F-106 Delta Dart, complete with the AIR-2 Genie nuclear rocket! Too bad they didn't produce the F-108 Rapier.
 
The SR-71 is my SECOND favorite US aircraft. Here is my THIRD favorite US aircraft... the B-58 Hustler.


Perhaps I've missed the answer previously given, but if not, this begs the question, "What is your favorite US aircraft?" :confused:
 
NICE! The Hustler was awesome. While we're at it, how about the "Ultimate Interceptor" - the F-106 Delta Dart, complete with the AIR-2 Genie nuclear rocket! Too bad they didn't produce the F-108 Rapier.

The F-106 was cool. I loved the SR-71 since I read about it as a kid in my dads Bee-Hive magazine that Pratt and Whitney use to publish back in the 60's. My dad retired from there.

The ultimate interceptor was the YF-12A. How many of you know what that was?? Granted it never made full production but do you know the lineage?

KR
 
The A-11 variant of the SR family was designed to be an interceptor. Then they figured out that it took too long to preheat the lubricants prior to staring the engines. I forget how long, but it was measured by the hour, not the minute.

All I see is a red X, where is your baby?
 
The original spy plane was a 1-seater. Then they made the two-seater interceptor, then converted that design to the SR.
 
The A-11 variant of the SR family was designed to be an interceptor. Then they figured out that it took too long to preheat the lubricants prior to staring the engines. I forget how long, but it was measured by the hour, not the minute.

All I see is a red X, where is your baby?

We have a winner. And what is the easiest way to spot the YF-12A and I believe the A-11 compared to a SR-71?

KR
 
I lived in Koza, Okinawa from '67 to '69. Got to see several of the Habu's take off and land, very impressive machine, still light years ahead of anything flying currently, IMO. It would use up almost all it's fuel on takeoff, and refuel at 30,000 ft. Then it would cruise on it's mission, getting better mileage at Mach 3+ than a DC 8. Impressive...
 
I lived in Koza, Okinawa from '67 to '69. Got to see several of the Habu's take off and land, very impressive machine, still light years ahead of anything flying currently, IMO.

Anything flying that we know of. :D

Of course that begs the question....did they replace the SR-71 with something that's still secret? I tend to think so, though of course I have no proof. Satellites are great but it's not so easy to put them at a certain place at a certain time, particularly when that time is short and the satellite is 1/4 way around the world from where you need it. The Aurora perhaps, or something else?
 
The ultimate interceptor was the YF-12A. How many of you know what that was??KR

True, but the F-106 was nicknamed the "Ultimate Interceptor". The Phoenix missile was absolutley incredible, and the next block of AMRAAMs are supposed to surpass it in range, but they all pale in comparison to the AIR-2 Genie - one missile to take out a whole flight of Soviet bombers in one giant nuclear explosion. NICE!

Back to SR-71 weapon systems...does anyone have any information on th kinetic energy bomb L-M was developing for the SR-71?
 
Perhaps I've missed the answer previously given, but if not, this begs the question, "What is your favorite US aircraft?" :confused:

Can't pick one but I can give you my top 6 US military ships but in no particular order:

SR-71, B-70, X-15, DC-3, Boeing-Stearman 75, B-52
 
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