Ti/Alloy Blades?

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Hi Gang- I finally used my Daniel Fairly Ti/carbide blade folder. Why did I wait? These knives cut so well! So effortlessly. It was a pleasure to use, actually. And, thanks to mecha, we know just plain Ti, when done right, cuts very well and is tough.
Finally, the alloy SM-100 has surfaced and I hear good things about it.
I think we will see more knives being made with these alloys. Do you?
I'm sold, on the Titanium blades.
rolf
 
Doubt it or it would have caught on by now.

There are some serious corrosion resistant steels using Nitrogen that can achieve good hardness, remain tough, is easier to grind than SM-100 and Titanium.

Apart from corrosion resistance of Ti and SM-100 I see no advantage of them above a steel like LC200N, Nitrobe-77, H-1 etc.
 
I have a SM-100 knife, and it cuts quite well, its fairly easy to get super sharp, but I can't attest to its wear resistance, simply haven't used it enough. It is cool stuff though.
 
William Nease of Unsubtle Blades has been making Ti/Carbon Fiber laminated blade for quite a few years and is worth looking into.

He let me try one of his Ti blades with a carbidized edge at a knife show a couple years ago and I was surprised how well it worked on 3/4" manilla rope...
 
Warren Thomas.
 
Thanks gang.
William is a friend. I was very impressed with his vdo and a Ti/carbon knife he used in that vdo. This got me interested.
I have a Warren Thomas M2 but never used it. Only buy using my Fairly did I realize the fantastic cutting ability of the carbide. Daniel has a great vdo too using his BackPacker knife. chk it out.
btw, I have a Ti MPF incoming and I remember how well my fist Ti MPF cut and these don't have the carbide.
I think my preferred blade is going to be Ti... with or w/o the carbide.
rolf
 
Ti blades are great at cutting coarse materials, but they are not good at making a fine edge or trying to work with something like wood when compared to other steel.

They certainly do have their place, especially when someone needs a blade that can be entirely corrosion resistant, non-magnetic, and still hold an edge better than H-1.
The issue with them generally is that they are more difficult to produce, and while the carbidized edge has pretty good wear resistance, the titanium itself is not very wear-resistant. Titanium does have a lot of flexibility in it though, so it is very hard to have a blade break or deform on you, though you're not going to be hacking at anything with a titanium edge I'm pretty sure.

Beta Titanium blades are another interesting alloy that is used, but I have a fairly limited amount of knowledge about that material right now since it is used sparingly in knives to my knowledge.

SM-100 is a good overall material in smaller knives, because it will hold an edge for an insane amount of time while still being "corrosion-proof" and retaining the flexible and tough nature of titanium, but the reason we don't see it used in knives hardly at all and it costs such a premium is because it is only produced for the military, and is extremely hard to produce. The amount of it that knife makers have been able to get is usually surplus that was produced for a military contract and then sold out to third-parties when the material wasn't bought by the military.
It will probably not be one of those materials that makes it into the domestic market quickly, if it does at all, considering the time-intensive process required to make it and the extremely specialized nature of the material itself, not to mention the difficulty involved with producing blades from it.

I think, if you are going to have a titanium blade, then stick with regular titanium with a carbidized edge, because it has been done for a long time for a reason, and it is a tried and true method, at least until we know more about these other alloys and they become more prevalent. Right now, the information on them is pretty lacking since they are so few and far between.
 
Warren Thomas.

Seriously. I heard of Warren Thomas as soon as I got into knives, years ago.

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I'm unsure if Warren started the trend, but IMO, he fueled the fire!
 
Thanks gang.
William is a friend. I was very impressed with his vdo and a Ti/carbon knife he used in that vdo. This got me interested.
I have a Warren Thomas M2 but never used it. Only buy using my Fairly did I realize the fantastic cutting ability of the carbide. Daniel has a great vdo too using his BackPacker knife. chk it out.
btw, I have a Ti MPF incoming and I remember how well my fist Ti MPF cut and these don't have the carbide.
I think my preferred blade is going to be Ti... with or w/o the carbide.
rolf

Ti without carbide is going to dull very quickly in almost all cases. The carbide edge it pretty much what gives Ti all of its cutting ability in most cases, except for some of the more complicated and rare alloys.
Ti without a carbide edge will take a fine edge without tooth much better than a carbide edge will, since there are no large carbides interfering with the surface of the edge.

As long as you are cutting more coarse material, Ti is a great working blade, especially when you want something for diving or other saltwater environments. I have a cousin who is a marine biologist and does dives daily out in the Gulf, and she has used the diving I got her with a Ti blade and carbidized edge literally every single day since I got it for her and loves it more than anything else she has tried, as do most of her partners at work. I did have to teach her how to sharpen it though since she was not entirely familiar with knives when she first started her dives and needed one.
 
Thanks, DaveM.
Charr- Thank you for the informative posts.
At this time, it's Ti for me.
rolf
 
Here's my one and only SM-100 folder made by Eric Bono. This material is extremely tough and the edge retention surpassed any of my custom blades so far. After bunch of use I can't even find a mark on it! :eek:
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Here's my one and only SM-100 folder made by Eric Bono. This material is extremely tough and the edge retention surpassed any of my custom blades so far. After bunch of use I can't even find a mark on it! :eek:
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Wow, that thing is BEAUTIFUL.
 
Thanks for the pic, Ben.
And this is a guy^ who cuts drywall with his CQC13.
I prefer a drywall knife. :D
 
Wow, that thing is BEAUTIFUL.

I have to agree. Perfect size and blade shape for a serious working knife.

I have a small Ti neck knife with a 2.5" blade made from grade 5 Ti and is carbidized on one side. The edge life is much better than I expected. Way longer than any blade I own in any steel. I bought it for one task though and that is for food prep on the trails. Won't ever rust or leave a metal flavor in food. I also found its a spectacular pencil sharpener and the carbidized side makes a great nail file. It does fine carving work extremely well too. When I make a fishing spear I will finish off the tips with it and wow, it makes wood pretty sharp before I fire temper the spear. I wasn't expecting much but it's proven itself. The carbidized edge works so good that I actually sharpen it by slicing thick cardboard to wear down the non carbidized side. It will pop hair for a very long time after I to that too. It would be a poor blade material in a BK9 but what I got and what I use it for it does better than expected.
 
And I agree.^
Daniel Fairly and I are designing an EDC folder that will sport a Ti blade. 3" blade.
 
Lol! No drywall on this baby.

I have a ti backpacker from DFK too and the more you use it the more sharp it gets....self sharpening is real!
 
True, Ben.^ At one time, I did not believe that.
btw, When Ti, as a knife blade comes up in a discussion, most peeps who say Ti does not make a good knife blade never USED a Ti blade. They just repeat what they have heard. But with the videos out there, seeing is believing.
A blade that is light in weight, strong, cuts very well and will never rust, just makes sense. imo.
rolf
 
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