Cliff Stamp
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Ron, for the TiN coated Recondo is the coating supposed to form the cutting edge?
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TiN X42 Recondo
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Hi Cliff,
Right now, our TiNi Recondos have no coating on the cutting bevel. To enhance the edge, we have buffed the back side as well, which in some cases has removed a little coating right at the edge.
These practices will likely change in the near future with the TiNi coating becoming part of the cutting surface.
Does this mean you received your Recondo? I'd be interested to know.
If you need anything else, please let me know.
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Ron Andersen
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SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.
Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
Right now, our TiNi Recondos have no coating on the cutting bevel. To enhance the edge, we have buffed the back side as well, which in some cases has removed a little coating right at the edge.
These practices will likely change in the near future with the TiNi coating becoming part of the cutting surface.
Does this mean you received your Recondo? I'd be interested to know.
If you need anything else, please let me know.
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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.
Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
Cliff Stamp
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Yes, the Recondo and Vision arrived last week. The edge on my Recondo arrived quite dull and is only sharpened on one side. I checked the edge out on a scope and you can clearly see where the edge was hit on a buffer on the right hand side, but on the left the coating goes all the way down to the edge.
As well the plain edge part on the Recondo is bevelled very steep. Because of the geometry it is difficult to obtain a precise measurement of the hangle but I would estimate it at 50 +/- 2 degrees. This combined with the poor NIB sharpness doesn't lead to great initial cutting ability.
Is this very obtuse bevel intentional? If so, for what kind of cutting was it determined that this level of support was required?
The reviews (*in progress*) can be seen here :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/vision.html
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/recondo.html
I will of course sharpen the X42 and repeat all the work again. These are of course no where near finished, much of what is in the Vision review will be copied to the Recondo review and rewrote from that perspective.
Lots of more information to be added on handle security, tip penetration ability, tip strength, edge durability, edge retention, more cutting performance etc . .
As usual if anyone has anything specific they would like to see, or if I am overlooking a key feature or features of the blades drop me an email or make a post with suitable suggestions.
-Cliff
As well the plain edge part on the Recondo is bevelled very steep. Because of the geometry it is difficult to obtain a precise measurement of the hangle but I would estimate it at 50 +/- 2 degrees. This combined with the poor NIB sharpness doesn't lead to great initial cutting ability.
Is this very obtuse bevel intentional? If so, for what kind of cutting was it determined that this level of support was required?
The reviews (*in progress*) can be seen here :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/vision.html
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/recondo.html
I will of course sharpen the X42 and repeat all the work again. These are of course no where near finished, much of what is in the Vision review will be copied to the Recondo review and rewrote from that perspective.
Lots of more information to be added on handle security, tip penetration ability, tip strength, edge durability, edge retention, more cutting performance etc . .
As usual if anyone has anything specific they would like to see, or if I am overlooking a key feature or features of the blades drop me an email or make a post with suitable suggestions.
-Cliff
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Hi Cliff,
I've had my recondo for awile now. I rubbed most of the TiNi coating off using the rough side of a spunge, now the blade has a pewter look to it. I think to do this blade justice you need to stab the living daylights out of it.
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I've had my recondo for awile now. I rubbed most of the TiNi coating off using the rough side of a spunge, now the blade has a pewter look to it. I think to do this blade justice you need to stab the living daylights out of it.
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Cliff Stamp
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The coating came off with a sponge? I would have assumed that it would have been much more resistant to wear than that.
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Hi Cliff,
I know this response is late and after the fact, and I have issued you an apology (with explanation), but let me respond to your concern.
If you received a knife you considered dull, returning it to the manufacturer or your point of purchase is what SOG recommends. The extreme level of dullness outlined in your review, though, sounds far-fetched (not being able to break the skin at high pressure). Regardless, if that level of dullness existed, it would certainly have certified your knife as defective and since you were unhappy with it, it would have been your obligation to return it.
Dull knives in this industry are obviously not the norm, so if yours was as you stated, it would be a gross exception.
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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.
Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
I know this response is late and after the fact, and I have issued you an apology (with explanation), but let me respond to your concern.
If you received a knife you considered dull, returning it to the manufacturer or your point of purchase is what SOG recommends. The extreme level of dullness outlined in your review, though, sounds far-fetched (not being able to break the skin at high pressure). Regardless, if that level of dullness existed, it would certainly have certified your knife as defective and since you were unhappy with it, it would have been your obligation to return it.
Dull knives in this industry are obviously not the norm, so if yours was as you stated, it would be a gross exception.
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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.
Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
Cliff Stamp
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No, it hardly is the norm for any of the high level blades, however if you search the forums you will find people who have recieved dull blades for all high end production blades, it even happens to custom makers from time to time.
As for returning it, returning a blade until I got one that has a certain level of performance, sharpness or otherwise, introduces a strong bias into the review as now it would be operating under the direct influence of preconcieved performance bounds.
-Cliff
As for returning it, returning a blade until I got one that has a certain level of performance, sharpness or otherwise, introduces a strong bias into the review as now it would be operating under the direct influence of preconcieved performance bounds.
-Cliff
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after reading your review of bhte becker machax and now the sog blade all i can say is B.S.
b.s.
u in no way have conducted anything that resembles a sceintific test useing controlled groups etc.
u took the becker machax and compared it to , to, to??? what did u compare it to???
its an ax 40 watt did u compare it to another type of ax??
and the sog knife. its ment to be used to make stuff dead.its a combat knife, not a freakn fillet knife.
is it still winter up there. r u not thawed out above the sholders yet??
i ts been a long time since i,ve seen so mych sudo scientific crap.
u reground the machax and it was too thin then u choped w it and the edge chiped A LITTLE BIT.so u conclude the edge chips???
get a life.
i had about 10 pages to write in retort to your b.s.test but now its seems useless .
theres no way to argue w a child
it seem to me the only knives that r any good r those made by bussee. is that true??
have we all missed the boat
i guess we,ll all just close up shop and go home
if u wonder why i,m writeing this
its because this is my liveing. (i,ve been making knives since i was 9 yrs old and i,m 51 now 52 in august in case anyone wants to buy me a present!!
and my love not a hobbie nor am i doing a favor for any knife co. (bussee)
in short get a life
my only hope is that others can see u for what u r. which seems to be lonesome w not much to do
larry harley
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Cliff Stamp
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Larry :
For heavy work, the Battle Mistress from Busse Combat, an 18" Ang Khola from HI, a PAB from Strider, the Norse 'Hawk from Cold Steel and the Wildlife Hatchet from Gransfors Brux. For lighter work, those blades were used again as well as well as a couple of smaller custom blades optomized for such work, by Phil Wilson, Mel Sorg etc. .
Yes, that seemed to be one of the primary goals. However it is kind of hard to include that in an evaluation. I don't think I have yet seen a review of a fighting knife which included such for obvious reasons.
It chipped before it was reground, and at that point the edge was very thick. After it was reground the second time yes it did chip more readily, as you would expect, however at that point it was still not as thin as other knives I have, some khukuris for example have thinner edges.
I have seen lots of quality knives that will outperform those made by Busse Combat in various aspects. Lots of such information is included in various reviews. The review of the PAB from Strider for example includes a lot of such details.
-Cliff
For heavy work, the Battle Mistress from Busse Combat, an 18" Ang Khola from HI, a PAB from Strider, the Norse 'Hawk from Cold Steel and the Wildlife Hatchet from Gransfors Brux. For lighter work, those blades were used again as well as well as a couple of smaller custom blades optomized for such work, by Phil Wilson, Mel Sorg etc. .
Yes, that seemed to be one of the primary goals. However it is kind of hard to include that in an evaluation. I don't think I have yet seen a review of a fighting knife which included such for obvious reasons.
It chipped before it was reground, and at that point the edge was very thick. After it was reground the second time yes it did chip more readily, as you would expect, however at that point it was still not as thin as other knives I have, some khukuris for example have thinner edges.
I have seen lots of quality knives that will outperform those made by Busse Combat in various aspects. Lots of such information is included in various reviews. The review of the PAB from Strider for example includes a lot of such details.
-Cliff