tito ortiz vs. ken shamrock

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anyone going to watch the fight tonight? i looking to see if I can spare the bucks for pay per view. should be quite the knock down drag out event.

stevo
 
What and watch Tito kick an ole man around again? Nope. I paid for the last one and pretty much expect that it will just be a repeat of that tonight.

Based on the way Ken 'trained' those guys he coached during the last season I don't think he has the ability to train himself in the same league as Tito for this. Unless he changed something so drastically in his approach I'm thinking he'll be winded by the second round just like last time. If he makes it that far. I will admit that the thought occurred to me that if anyone was ever going to die in one of these bouts it could very easily be tonight. These guys really hate each other.

STR
 
I would have to agree with you about Tito probably beating the heck out of Shamrock. Even if he is fit, he's just getting too old for this.

I saw the way he interacted with his guys, and was put off.
 
My money is on Tito. My heart used to be with Ken, but not after watching TUF III. I look forward to watching the beating. Go ahead and take some respect, Ken, I dare you.
 
When is the Gracie fight ? It might be soon . It may have just passed . That would be the one to put the money on .

I remember when he fought a dutch judo expert . Gracie had him in a choke hold and couldn,t understand why the guy wasn,t going out . Turns out he had him by the chin . That guy had one sore chin .
 
There's another aspect to that as well. You'll see judoka doing these goofy neck exercises before they roll. The typical explanation is that it's to strengthen the neck so that during ukemi you don't bounce your head off the mat and knock yourself out. This is true but it's only one reason.

The other reason is that, over time, a sheath of muscle and gristle develops over the front and sides of the neck. It won't stop a good choke -- nothing will, short of getting out of it -- but it will stop a marginal choke and will buy you a few extra seconds of awareness if someone has a good one locked in.

Another item to consider is that the body adapts to nearly anything, including blood chokes. You choke a guy enough times and it just stops working as well as it used to. A doctor could probably explain it in medical terms. I just know that it happens.

As for Ortiz and Shamrock, I'm not too concerned about who wins or what happens. If I had to pick one to root for it would be Shamrock, as I tend to favor the underdog.
 
Underdog he might be . That dog sure had his day .

As to chokes ? Thats interesting about building up muscle and gristle . It seems a bit more feasible than "Iron skin"
I have no doubt that extrordinairy gentlemen may do extrordinary things .
We had this guy jumping around the bar yelling " Iron skin " Ironskin " and daring people to kick him below the macon dixon line . Eventually someone obliged and the gentleman didn,t have much to say for quite a while
I think he went to the dojo that practices just outside of doorways .
Its called the " No go Dojo "
 
As far as I could tell from the ads, one hated and was bitter, and the other tried to laugh his pain off.

The blonde will get his day.

Feel sorry for them both




munk
 
Tito Ortiz WINS, ref calls the fight in Round 1.

Not much of a fight.
 
Kevin the grey said:
As to chokes ? Thats interesting about building up muscle and gristle . It seems a bit more feasible than "Iron skin"
I have no doubt that extrordinairy gentlemen may do extrordinary things .
We had this guy jumping around the bar yelling " Iron skin " Ironskin " and daring people to kick him below the macon dixon line . Eventually someone obliged and the gentleman didn,t have much to say for quite a while
I think he went to the dojo that practices just outside of doorways .
Its called the " No go Dojo "
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Thread veer alert!

This is a particular fascination of mine...training the body to resist injury, that is, not getting kicked in the junk. I had a navy buddy a ways back that was very into CMA and fairly advanced who could perform some interesting tricks along those lines. He advised me that it would not protect the face nor the groin. (Although he did add that at an even more advanced stage, a fighter could literally withdraw the testes into the body to partially shield them from attack. I think that I'd rather just take the kick and be done with it, but that's just me.)

During the Boxer Rebellion, some of the warriors practiced arts to allow them to shrug off blows from swords and spears. While anectdotal evidence of the effectiveness of this is mentioned by some observers, it seemed not to work for bullets. Why it didn't is a question that's plagued me for years. Is it merely a question of energy delivered, or a question of beliefs? What is the threshold where it stops working? Did it even work at all?

Interesting stuff.
 
tedwca said:
Tito Ortiz WINS, ref calls the fight in Round 1.

Not much of a fight.
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Since the fight was so short how about a "blow by blow" commentary???

Thanks!!!
 
There were methods for toughening the fingers and knees and elbows, to make them more effective wepons. I have only heard or seen "armorized" body parts in the movies, though.
It will always be far more profitable to train the body to avoid injury rather than resist it.
 
Ken started the fight quickly, rushing Tito and firing a barrage of short shots to his body and head, all pretty much blocked. They clinch and chip away at each other, before Tito gets a body lock and lifts Ken cleanly into the air and slams him hard into the mat. Very quick action.

The pace slows a little as Tito maintains top position and control, pounding on Shamrock. Shamrock doesn't do much from his back, pummeling for arm control and trying to stop the blows. Tito lands finds his range and starts slamming elbows into Shamrock's face, accurately and in succession, at least four unanswered. Shamrock isn't doing anything to cover or improve his position, and Herb Dean stops the fight. Ortiz wins.

Ken protested the stoppage as being too quick, and truly didn't look too much the worse for wear. He's beside himself with rage and tries to make a run at Tito, who is busy doing his gravedigger dance.

Truly, I thought the ref might have allowed the match to go on a little longer, allowed Shamrock to absorb a bit more punishment, but I don't think the outcome of the fight would have been any different. He would simply have eaten more elbows until the ref's hand was forced beyond shadow of a doubt.

J
 
Too much heart, too little reserve. It happens...guys end up getting hurt far more seriously than needed either to prove a point (fight over) or to satisfy the *want* of the paying audience.

Refs have gotten better overall...there is much less bloodlust in the ring than in the house.

Game over Dude...
 
Dave Rishar said:
Thread veer alert!

This is a particular fascination of mine...training the body to resist injury, that is, not getting kicked in the junk. I had a navy buddy a ways back that was very into CMA and fairly advanced who could perform some interesting tricks along those lines. He advised me that it would not protect the face nor the groin. (Although he did add that at an even more advanced stage, a fighter could literally withdraw the testes into the body to partially shield them from attack. I think that I'd rather just take the kick and be done with it, but that's just me.)

During the Boxer Rebellion, some of the warriors practiced arts to allow them to shrug off blows from swords and spears. While anectdotal evidence of the effectiveness of this is mentioned by some observers, it seemed not to work for bullets. Why it didn't is a question that's plagued me for years. Is it merely a question of energy delivered, or a question of beliefs? What is the threshold where it stops working? Did it even work at all?

Interesting stuff.
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Most of the iron vest/iron hand/stone warrior/chi-power stuff is just a bunch of complete nonsense. Anyone who believes that you can train your body to withstand swords, spears, and bullets is just gullible. The first few UFCs back in the day featured some traditional kung fu and karate masters, none of them could fight their way out of a wet paper bag in real life, so they stopped inviting them back.
 
Dave Rishar said:
Thread veer alert!

(Although he did add that at an even more advanced stage, a fighter could literally withdraw the testes into the body to partially shield them from attack. I think that I'd rather just take the kick and be done with it, but that's just me.)

Interesting stuff.
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Confucious says " The best way to avoid injury from a kick to the groin is to make sure it is your foot in their groin . "

I have also heard that if the contact is good enough those testes might elevate to warmer climes all on their ownselves .

Personally I think the dedication and discipline necessary is so far beyong our comprehension as to make such results unattainable . We would have to give up so much of ourselves as to make the result unsuitable to us .

So takes yer " Jolly Rogers " in yer hand and sail with me on the "Black Duck"
I promise there will be no foot kicks to the groin . I use me peg-leg .
 
Dave Rishar said:
(Although he did add that at an even more advanced stage, a fighter could literally withdraw the testes into the body to partially shield them from attack. I think that I'd rather just take the kick and be done with it, but that's just me.)
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He must have seen this video (warning: contains vague, blurry, distant shots of male anatomy)...
 
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