To Choil or Not

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  • I like CHOILS on Large 8" and greater knives

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  • I like Choils on all knives

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  • I like Choils on small knives under 4" blade length

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  • I hate choils on all knives

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  • I like choils on medium sized knives 4"-7" blade

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  • Don't mind either way

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The Choil feels great on my Native!

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And the two of them on my SALUS.... superb!

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Choil on my EK

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I don't really use the choil on my 3 a lot, but I suppose it's nice to have. I don't agree with the logic behind it taking away from the cutting edge... On most knives I've seen a large choil on, it's the space directly behind the ricasso that would normally be flat anyway--so effectively no blade space is wasted unless you prefer a knife without a ricasso like that. Then otherwise when a choil is ground in in front of the ricasso, it's generally such a miniscule amount of blade length lost...

I think they're nice for sharpening, gets the blade on the hone nice and flat without the very bottom of the hell flaring out.
 
Small sharpening choil. Always.

Finger choils. Only on small blades where you need that choil to get a full grip of the knife (spyderco dragonfly, caly 3 etc). Otherwise I hate them. On large knives you cant make as powerful slices when you are cutting further away from the handle.
 
For one thing, if you had to do repetitive work (like making feather sticks) gripping the blade choil, your index finger will fatigue or develop blisters unless you have purposefully built up callouses or wear gloves (I don't). I like it when the edge goes all the way to the handle, so I can bear down with the cutting material exerting minimal torque on my wrist.

As for "choking up" for fine work, how much shorter does a choil make the blade? Let's say 1 inch for simplicity. So, at what length does shortening the blade by 1" make a difference? It's a subjective answer, but I think it does not do much for blades over 8". What about 5" vs. 4"? 4" vs 3"? 3" vs 2"? The more I think about it, the more I think it does not make that much difference. I'd say a 2 inch length difference would be significant, but that would be a pretty big choil.

Why not just get a knife that is the right length for the job? I think people either just like the looks of a choil, or they think it makes their knife more versatile (I can turn this 5" blade to a 4" blade). You do give up certain things, like comfort and edge length, so a choil is a compromise at best.
 
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Choils depend on the knife design. Some knives have ergonomics suited for choils (Spyderco Sage series comes to mind). Other knives do not need choils to achieve great ergonomics (CRK Sebenza).
 
I hate choils on all fixed blade, Ive never needed to be SO close to the edge to use a large knife for finer work. Id rather keep the edge and just hold the handle. I do appreciate the choil on my Manix 2 XL for safety purposes.
 
I prefer as much useful edge as possible. I don't really like sharpening notches, because they seem to hang up on stuff when you're doing fine work close to the handle. It doesn't bother me one bit if I scratch the plunge a little when sharpening. When I need to choke up on a blade, I just do it like you would with a chef's knife.

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Oh, I don't know, most of my knives are sharp enough that if I did that with bare hands, I would have a nice slice in my finger(s). There are much better ways to choke up on a knife than that. That is definitely not an example that people should use, given that most people hardly use their knives.
 
Do people really use the 2 inches of blade on un-choiled knives near where the handle starts on large knives? The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle. With a choil you can get some pretty nice control over your feathering and detailed tasks.
 
Aside from aesthetics, it depends mostly on your application. You can't get any closer to your work than with a choil--heck, you can even get over the work. I especially like ESEE choils, because they provide a comfortable surface area for the finger. Another thing I like about a choil is that having the guard between my index and middle fingers gives me firmer axial control over the blade. That, however, can be replicated with the right handle design--as is done on many folders (e.g., Kershaw Skyline). Further, it gives me greater leverage over the blade tip--where the protrusion under my index finger acts as a lever arm.

As mentioned, choils can snag--possibly with very negative consequences (e.g., bushwacking). To avoid snagging, however, you can smooth the transition from choil groove to blade edge to eliminate snagging, so I don't personally think that's a reason not to have a choil.

The best reason NOT to have a choil, in my opinion, is to retain blade edge when you want your finger protected by the guard. For example, a combat knife used for thrusting probably ought not to have a choil. Also, I didn't want my young daughters to expose their index fingers while cutting, so I got them choiless knives (Fallkniven F1 and Cold Steel Mini Hunter).

Generally, I don't want a choil, but I do like one on my ESEE-6, because it does broaden the usefulness of that knife--can't say I usually like it on my 3 or 4, though.

It's pretty obvious whether a choil is useful or not to anyone who actually uses their knives for real applications.
 
I usually don't like choils of my folders.....most are big.
A couple of Spydies I would have bought in a heart beat Without the big choil are the Super Leaf and the Tuff. Both had just right amount of cutting edge
without the choil.
When you lose 2/3 to 3/4 of an inch of cutting edge because of a big choil that's just Too much IMO.
 
Personally I can take or leave them on blades 7" or longer. If the ricasso is small enough, you can get away without one and still do close up work just in front of the plunge lines. On blades 6" or less I prefer no choil.
Scott
 
Personally I can take or leave them on blades 7" or longer. If the ricasso is small enough, you can get away without one and still do close up work just in front of the plunge lines. On blades 6" or less I prefer no choil.
Scott

Pretty much sums it up for me.
 
I don't have a need for them on large knives, but on smaller ones, absolutely, yes. I find them extremely helpful for safely getting my fingers close to fine work when using a pinch/saber grip, which is most of my cutting with a small knife.
 
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