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lynno,

According to Tim Herman, in the telephone in a conversation a few months back, you are the one that went back and forth between talking to me and talking on the chat room, to make sure thing stayed riled up on the chat room. Tim Herman also told me that you took him aside to make sure you told him my first name, and made fun of it (Julious to any that are curious)
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one final post before i try and forget i ever met you...

all that crap you brought up from our phone conversation months ago, about which you promised me you would never bring it up again after our first little confrontation, i see your word isnt worth anything either.

trying to get sympathy and make me look like the bad guy again does fit right into your methods of hosing people and distorting the truth!

i also broke a promise to you that i wouldnt bring your name up on the forums again, but after ptalfalfa brought your little sideshow back here i could no longer keep quiet and stand by and watch this bullsht happen again.

i have been in the knife business for over 23 years now and i have put alot of time and myself into it and have tried to show honesty and integrity with dealing with customers and other makers alike. but when i see a lying dishonest egotistical little jerk preying upon uneducated new buyers and collectors it just really irks me bad! you make the whole custom knife business look bad with your actions. if you and your little cult keep your sidesow forum to yourselves fine, but trying to spread your lying crap all over the knife business sucks!

i would have thought by now people would have seen through your stunts but unfortunately many have not. such as your claiming crkt ripped of your wharncliff design and i am sure you think others have "stole" your amazing designs too know your huge ego! well pal, that and most other blade designs have been around for centuries! i know i sure havent come up with any completely new blade designs inmy 23 years of designing and making knives and i was a commercial designer and illustrator for 20 years!

then you have badmouthed other makers saying your knives were better, particular bob dozier who i belive could make a far better knife than you in his sleep! bob is honest, hard working and truthful about his knives, maybe you should try to emulate him rather than insult him!!

another lame stunt is having to have orders for a model you want pics of because you just cant find time to make one for that purpose?? what about your "2 year" wait??? if you cant possibly get to it for 2 years why worry about a photo for advertising now?? please explain this one to me
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then on your forum knife for $400, the customer dont even get to pick which wood he wants on the handle?? this is simply amazing and i dont think i even want to hear an explanation for this one!

your forum is another amazing thing. funny how anything at all negative about your knives got deleted immediately! and usually that person was then banned from your forums. if i get negative comments on my knives, thats how i learn to improve, guess you are perfect already huh?

there are so many things to cover here but nobody has listend yet, but i have really had enough of this. to me you are a shyster, a liar and i am sorry you have picked the knife business as the place to feed your colossal ego. i also know you will try and turn this around and make me the bad guy again. so be it, but somehow in the end people do discover the truth as after so many stories to cover your lies, they do come shining through.

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ere ya go timmy.tell it like it is.
400 bucks and a 2 year wait.<---shaking head in disgust
 
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Richard,
You are the one that suggested I raise the price of my Tracker to $225, the price of my Patrolman to $180, and the price of my Sniper to $190. I listened to you because I trusted you, I was not making a profit at the price I was selling them, and I was getting more orders coming in that month than I could make in a 4 month period. (BTW, your advise was good. According to Tim Herman, in the telephone in a conversation a few months back, you are the one that went back and forth between talking to me and talking on the chat room, to make sure thing stayed riled up on the chat room. Tim Herman also told me that you took him aside to make sure you told him my first name, and made fun of it (Julious to any that are curious). You are also the one that has been to my house, I have been to your house. I considered you at a time to be my very best friend, all the while according to Tim Herman (and evidence seems to indicate he was right) that you were playing a game. You are also the one that had very quick sell for all your griffith knives when you went to sell them. Seems to me that if the value was not there, you would not been able to sell them used. Your post saddens me greatly, becuase at one time I thought you were the best friend I had ever had.
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Lynn Griffith-Knifemaker
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Yep, after speaking with you I agreed that 225 and the other prices you listed would be reasonable prices. I figured everything you told me about the time invested and other factors of making them were accurate, and that your process for making knives was average. As I stated, I have since done alot of learning and speaking with others much more knowledgable than myself. Knowing what I know now, and learning much from reading and speaking with makers and users, and examining others work, I have since come to the conclusion that the info I had at the time was quite limited. Way to many people I have spoken with, who know how it works have stated that 14 hours or so to make one of your blades is most unreasonable, that time was stated by you. The time to hand rub the blades for an additional 8 hours was also questioned, and thought to be way out of the norm. Therefor, the Patrolman I had with the satin finish would have taken 22 hours to make? As I said, most of my knowledge about customs, and why yours were supposed to be better came from you, and I listened to you only, while ignoring advise from alot of other people who tried to educate me.
I also said many good things about your knives. Many of my posts were at your request. Asking or 'suggesting' to go say something on bladeforums, and 'suggesting' to find a good post and bring it back to the top, and the fact that I actually would do the posts at your urging was questionable on both our parts. I have yet to have another maker whose work I have ask me to do a good review, or go find good posts about them and BTTT. I can say though, that the good merits of your knives are true, handle comfort, overall design and usefulness of the finished product are good, but 'suggesting' to write that, saying to keep the post alive as long as possible is not acceptable, either on your part for asking, or my part for doing.

Asking me to limit the pics I posted was also offensive now that I think about it. I did one picture of a Patrolman I think, with the back side of the kydex sheath showing. At the time you were using fasteners where one side looked like spokes sticking out (dont know what they are called) and was told by you to not photograph that side anymore as some maybe put off from ordering if they were seen, and that they would be more likely to accept the sheath that way once they had ordered the knife and took delivery.

I was moderator of your forum for some time, and I saw so many posts deleted that were not 100% positive. Forums have negative things on them, IMO it is not proper to delete something just because it doesnt put you in the most positive light, although its your forum, so I suppose you can do that. IMO your ego gos everywhere from your knifemaing to you personally. Asking my 13 year old daughter 'Im cute, arent I ? " or asking me "dont you think its cool to know a fairly famous maker like me? " should probably have made me think twice then, but it didnt. I was to busy listening to you rave about why your knives were worth more than Dozier, Livesay, and others. I believed it and therefore didnt pay much attention to other makers, that was my fault...as the old saying gos 'theres one born every minute', guess I was one of them.

Yep, I told you what was said in the chat room, no secret there, I told everybody in the chat room how you found out, although they pretty much knew that already. This came at the time you said Ed Halligan and CRKT ripped off the Sniper design from you. When you told me the details of why you thought that, I thought it was all true, and I blasted Tim and Kit and all others that questioned you. I finally listened to reason and knew discovered that CRKT did not rip off your design, and for you to accuse them otherwise, and for me to back you on that from your word alone is again, questionable on both our parts. But, thats not the only design you feel was stolen is it? Thats the one you went public with though. So the revelation that I told you what was said in chat is old news, and is even printed by me in another old post somewhere. Telling him your first name, tasteless joke, my apologies, but I know you and Tim spoke, he told me he called you, or you called him, I dont remember.

Yes, I sold my collection quite fast, at a very considerable loss. We know where the blue one went. The other satin finished one with the white handle I gave to a friend of mine. The rest were sold in pakage deals at far less than what they cost, but, that person wanted the knives, and I wanted to sell them, done deal.

I seem to have idolized you as a maker, taking as gosphel everything you told me about your knives and their quality and manufacture, and I also took literally the bad points of other makers knives you voiced without really taking the time to learn for myself, my bad.

This post seems to have somehwat gotten into the subject of your knife values, so right or wrong, I commented. You want to get into yours and Tims phone conversation to re-hash the old chat room fiasco, which is public knowledge anyways, fine, I can do that too.

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Richard
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I agree moving to Good bad and ugly.
(the ugly greek)

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