To Sheath or not to Sheath- that is the ?

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As a brand new maker I am wondering what to do about sheaths for fixed blades. If I were to make a series of fixed blade pieces I'm not sure I want to necessarily learn to do the sheaths. Is it acceptable to make knives and sell them without sheaths, leaving it up to the user or does each knife really need one?

I would like to do primarily wood handles so I don't think kydex is the way to go. My main concern here is that the expense of having sheaths made for each and every knife could get out of hand real fast.

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Peter Atwood

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Learn to make sheaths Peter. A knife maker isn't just a knife maker. He's a carpenter, leather worker, tool and die maker, metal fabricator, welder, shop janitor, honey do lost maintainer and lots of other stuff. Learn to make sheaths if you're going to sell knives. A knife without a sheath is like a pecker without underwear. It chafes on you. Learn to make a sheath. You'll be glad you did.
 
I can't say that I like sheath making but it is darned difficult to sell anything except a kitchen knife without one. The real problem is the general public would not know where to go to get a sheath made so they will be very reluctant to purchase a knife with out a sheath.

Folders are the only exception, I know one maker who switched to folders just so he would not have to do leather work.

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george
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I agree that it's a good idea to learn to do the sheath-work.

But you sound much like me, in that I have little if any desire to do it.

I completely agree that trying to sell a fixed blade without a sheath is extremely difficult unless it's a collector piece or a kitchen knife.

I send all of my working knives to Martin "Sandy" Morrissey for his wonderful leather work.

You can send plenty of knives to Sandy and not go broke. Besides, if you're selling them you just add the price of the sheath into the cost.

I have yet to understand how Sandy does such excellent work for me at his prices...he is the best.

You can email him by writing helmar4578@webtv.net

I whole-heartedly recommend him!
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Nick
 
Hey Fountainman...

That being said...

Thats why there are guys like me.
Custom sheathmakers.

A good custom sheathmaker cn usually make you a sheath, quicker and better than you can do them yourself...
We specialize in sheaths,we do one thing and do it well.

A good sheathmaker will also give you, Knock Your Socks Off quality in a Professionally done package that will actually help sell the knife.

If the sheath isn't Top Quality, you may as well sell it without a sheath.

A poorly done sheath will make the knife,however nice look poorly done.

So basically what everyone is telling you is pretty much the way it is...

Learn to do sheaths yourself,,and do them Well,, or have a "Good" custom sheathmaker do them for you..

The customer won't mind paying the extra money for a custom sheath...

Theres also a bonus of having your name associated with a "Good" sheathmaker. It tells the customer something about your work.

How many times have you seen a knife for sale with a blurp about the sheath, be it Rowe ,G2, River City or O/ST for that matter?? It can become a selling point for you.

ttyle

Eric..

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Thanks guys for the good advice. I'm going to try my hand at a few simple ones for my first knives. If I make something really nice I'll probably have someone else make it. I suspect Eric is dead on in his assertion that a great sheath could be a selling point.

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Peter Atwood

email: fountainman@hotmail.com
 
Very good and valid points. I personally prefer not to do leather work. As stated, a very good custom sheath adds value and does say something about the total package. I would never reach the quality of a Rowe or Morrissey sheath because my heart isn't there. Stating that, this post does provoke thought....

As a side note....

Max, nice meeting you in Old Washington and I hope you enjoyed the Community coffee.

C Wilkins
 
Peter- if you have the patience and skills to learn how to make knives, you can probably do the same with leather and come up with good functional sheaths. A lot of makers and collectors value "sole-authorship" from start to finish. Sandy Morrissey's sheath-making forum over at KnifeForums is a GREAT place to get help and advice! Go for it, the satisfaction of doing the total package is worth the effort.
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Hey Eric, could you email me? I have been trying yours and I don't think any of them have gotten to you.

Merckman99@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Nick
 
The only guys that get away with not having a sheath included with the sale of a knife are the ones that climb up close to $1,000 and over, those models that are considered as Art knives, while I can appreciate those they certainly are not for me, price wise at least and functionality as well.

Otherwise you might hook up with the esteemed Martin "Sandy" Morrissey for your sheaths, or somehow work it into the price of your knives to tell the buyer that the knife will go to Sandy for a fit up and then on to them when finished, at that time the customer has the good fortune of being included as to what he wants in a sheath, he may want a real fancy one or a LEFT handed one which is important to know! But the key is you get to do what you are very gifted at, making knives! and leave the sheaths to someone like Sandy, or kydex like Normark, as they both have a passion for that work and it certainly shows!

G2

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Well Gary, from the quality of your work I would not hesitate a moment to send a knife to you. I've seen plenty of pics of your sheaths and I can say that it does pay to post them on the forums. I've been dimly aware that other sheath makers frequent the forums but yours are the ones I remember!

That said, I've also seen many mentions of Eric's work so if and when I do produce soem really nice knives I'll keep you both in mind.

I checked out the Knifeforums sheath making section and it definitely looks useful. Thanks for all the good advice!

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Peter Atwood

email: fountainman@hotmail.com
 
Today is sheath day for me. I'm catching up on a batch of military, hunting, survival and kitchen knives.

Many years ago, when I started making, I got the same range of advice on sheaths that you've got here. Some guys hate it, some like it, some view it as a necessity.

I've been to shows where you'll see nothing but blades and handles on the table, and when the sale is almost complete, the client asks for the sheath. The maker pulls out a "brown bag" piece of untooled crap he's been hiding all day. The client frowns...

The most often seen piece of hardware of a custom knife is the sheath. It's the part seen when worn, noticed in the display case, and handed to others to examine.

One attitude is that the sheath is an accessory, an "after the fact" requirement only provided to have someplace to store the blade.

WRONG.
The knife sheath has many functions. Number one is to protect the wearer from the cutting edge and point. Another is to allow fittings and straps to comfortably carry his tool. Another is to protect the tool from the elements, abrasion, and being removed from the wearer. Another is to help him not loose it in the wilderness. Another is to properly give access of the tool to the wearer in an immediate situation.

For a collector's knife, the purpose is somewhat different. The knife may be stored "with" the sheath and not "in" it, or it may be transferred or shipped in the it's protective sheath, or it may be used to lay the handle across in his display case on his credenza.

But make no mistake about it! The sheath is part of the knife! The maker needs to assure that the sheath will match perfectly his work. He needs to be able to tune the leather, kydex, polymer, or whatever to his knife, to assure proper fit, clearances, and safety. If it's too tight, the wearer can suffer "jerk and cut." If too loose, you'll hear a disgruntled client telling you how your beautiful knife is somewhere in the vast wilderness attracting ravens...

I live by the creed that the sheath or stand should be commensurate with the quality of the knife. It is part of the deal, folks, and I realized that I would get as good at making sheaths and stands as the knives themselves. This is what's called ART.

That is why I do everything from inlaid exotic skinned hand tooled leathers to military locking sheaths used on HALO jumps. That is why I can make whatever the client wants, complete, without other artistic input or ideas, and guarantee it for my lifetime. This is what leads to true knife sculpture.

So get in there with attitude! It's just leather, after all. And you can make a neat little set of knives to carve it in astounding ways. Take a look at my site and others for ideas. It'll make your sheaths sale-closers, not sale-breakers!


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Jay
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There was a period in my knifemaking career during which I would have to say my sheaths were better than my knives. Overall, sheath making is an easier craft to learn, and it still provides plenty of opportunity for creativity and innovation.

One of the nicest things about it is that it can provide (for me) a break in the action; a change of pace when grinding gets to be a "grind." And, when I design and complete a nice sheath that really compliments the knife for which it's intended, it adds another dimension of satisfaction to the whole package.

I know that we are all different, but speaking for myself, it is not a job I would want to omit or farm out. It can be a real pleasure.

Don Cowles
www.cowlesknives.com
 
I have my sheaths made by a local guy. The main reason for me is that, being a part time maker, my time for knives is limited enough. Setting aside time to make my own sheaths is not an effective way to operate.
This applies only to leather. I do make my own Kydex/Concealex sheaths. They are relatively easy to make, especially after you have done a few. It helps to have spent a little time with Neil Blackwood watching him make sheaths.

If given the time, I would do it myself.

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I hate making sheaths. I have had a knife done for a few weeks now just have to make the damn sheath so I can deliver it. It is for the local bike shop owner that I get the inspection stickers for my bikes and the stickers run out this month, better get off my and get it done.

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Jay,

I really liked your post. I think your attitude is really great and your work is excellent and inspiring. I will definitely tackle the leather work and see what I can do with it. Thanks for the encouragement!



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Peter Atwood

email: fountainman@hotmail.com
 
In the years that I have been involved in the fabrication of leather knife sheaths, I have had the opportunity of meeting only a few sheath makers that I have considered as true professionals. By this, I mean that they were making their livelihood as leather craftsman, saddle makers, boot makers etc., prior to specializing in knife sheaths, holsters and gun belts. There are many excellent craftsmen that are considered as amateurs only as to their status, not as to the resulting art they produce. The professional, through years of trial and error, has acquired tricks of the trade, short cuts in assembly, sources of supply, and a customer base not readily available to the part time maker.All this gives advantage to the pro who can price his merchandise more realistically in a market that is not highly competitive. The pro is also more apt to answer complaints more readily in order to maintain the integrity of his business. It only takes a few knocks to create a lot of unwelcome lumps!

One of the most frequent things that a good sheath maker hears is, "Your sheaths help sell my knives" I have heard it hundreds of times. I am sure that Greg Gutcher, Kenny Rowe,
Chris Kravitt, Gary Graley, Robert Schrap and others have heard it thousands of times---and for good reason--it is the unvarnished truth!

An unsheathed knife is like a handful of change and no pockets!

Sandy Morrissey
 
Hey Sandy...

I agree completely...

Although I'm in a different realm then you guys are with sheathing, it is different, yet the same in many aspects...

A good quality product no matter what it is can be spotted easily and absolutely helps sell the package.

As far as sheathing goes,, I know what I'm doing when it comes to synthetics,, but give me a piece of leather and leather tools and it will look like a kindergarten school project..LOL

ttyle

Eric...

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Eric, my friend---no way could I compete with you in your field nor would I attempt to. We in this type of business readily acknowlege you as the Papa Bear in the synthetics!!
Give Wyatt a pat on the back from me!

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SHEATH!!! I personally love synthetics, and for that ERIC N. THE MAN!!! He has done a bunch of sheaths for me and I have nothing but Good to say about him.
His sheaths help sell knives .

Regardless of what kind of sheath you choose to outfit on your blades It will really help your sales, because you will be providing a COMPLETE package! After all a knife without a sheath is sorta like a sports car without an engine, sure its nice to look at but you can't take it anywere!

Eric

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