Tobacco companies are evil bastards

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BOSTON - U.S. cigarette companies modified their products to induce women smokers by stressing stylishness, taste and perceived health benefits that they knew would appeal to women, a Harvard study of tobacco industry documents claims.

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The study could have global health implications as tobacco companies turn to the Third World to increase smoking among women, the study's authors wrote.

While men are smoking less globally, female smoking rates are expected to continue increasing and reach 20 per cent by 2025, driven by the growth of female markets in developing countries.

The paper in the June 2005 issue of the journal Addiction takes a step forward in understanding the role of product design in targeting cigarettes to women. This area had been less well understood than the marketing of appealing attributes such as women's liberation, glamour, success and thinness.

* FROM MAY 30, 2001: Women smokers closing the gap on men: WHO study

The Harvard study examines documents made public following the 1998 Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement.

"These internal documents reveal that the tobacco industry's targeting of women goes far beyond marketing and advertising," said lead author Carrie Murray Carpenter, a research analyst at the Tobacco Control Research and Training Program at the Harvard School of Public Health.

For more than 20 years, the industry studied gender-based differences in motivational factors, smoking patterns, and product preferences in order to promote smoking among women and girls, the authors wrote.

Even appetite suppressants considered

The research allowed the companies to make cigarettes that exploited the concept of relative saftey through light cigarettes and less sidestream smoke, and conformed to women's taste and odour preferences and the actual way women smoke: with a weaker pull than men.

The documents also show that cigarette makers went so far as to explore the use of appetite suppressants in cigarettes to promote smoking-mediated weight control, the researchers wrote.

"Carpenter and her group reveal that cigarette designs and ingredients were manipulated to make the cigarettes more palatable to women and to complement advertising illusions of smooth, healthy, weight-controlling, stress-reducing smoke," an accompanying editorial in Addiction said.
 
All the tobacco companies have to do is start producing "Oprah... cigarettes for women." This will increase profits greatly. :rolleyes:
 
Non-Smokers die - every day. Quoted from Bill Hicks, unfortunately he died so early.

However, yes, they are evil bastards. Still the choice is ours. You don't have to smoke.

I think is funny are the governments attempts to make people quit smoking. Only recently we got those funny adds on the packages, like 'Smoking Kills' or 'Smoking causes Lung Cancer' or 'Smoking causes birth defects to your child' - Hell, if I'd smoke, I'd only buy the birth defect ones, then I'm on the safe side, right ?
I heard they're soon gonna put pics of body parts like lungs or amputated legs on it. I'm wondering if the people 'donating' these parts are getting anything out of it? Free cigarettes for a month or something...

The point is, smokers are cheaper on the health system - they die earlier, and they die cheaper. doesn't sound nice, but that's the way it is. and apart from that, every government I know of is gaining so much from taxes, they'd be really in trouble if *everyone* would stop smoking. The EU for example is trying to ban smoking commercials - and at the same time subsidizing tobacco cultivation with more than 500 million Euros. Does that make sense to anyone? It ain't much different in the US I believe, given the fact that cigarettes are even more expensive there the US government is gaining even more from taxes.

They're cutting through the very same branch they're sitting on [bad translation, but you get the message].

I am a non-smoker.

Keno
 
Non-smoker here too. Not because of the pictures of cancerous lungs I've seen on packs of cigarettes though. 99% of the women I know who smoke continue to do so because they can expect to gain 10-20 pounds if they quit. Sadly they all keep on smoking while they're pregnant. I'm sure the tobacco companies have noticed this too.

The kids sure notice. I used to work with a woman who was pregnant. Her baby would kick when it wanted a cigarette.
 
Strange enough, I don't mind people smoking. My dad's a smoker, most of my male friends are. I dont really care, and if people are not actively exhaling smoke into my face I don't complain either.

I will never complain about smoking when sitting in a pub for example, and frankly I can't stand people who do. It's a pub, for christ's sake. It's always been that way, always been smokey inside. If you dont like it, dont go there. They have banned smoking on train stations here - I dont get it. The air is so bad in those places already [and in big cities in general], some people smoking in there won't kill me. It's really more likely to suffer from all the stuff coming out of cars then anything else, but what do I know.

Female smoking when pregnant, I dont get that either. People who do that deserve to be kicked in the face. My dad stopped smoking while my mom was pregnant, and never smoked around me when I was a kid. Actually, he only started again cause my birth was so comlicated - doctors told my parents I was gonna die in short time. Somehow I didn't, I guess I kind surprised them.

Keno
 
You guys should see the ads in Japan for cigarrettes.
99.999% of them feature teenage, and I mean 14 or 15 year old WHITE girls or twenty-something WHITE guys.
The ad for "Pianissimo" cigarrettes has like a 13 yr old in an evening gown.
 
I agree with you about people who complain (usually to the staff) about smokers in pubs. Restaurants are different though. A place where tasting the food is the reason for being there, then I think it's OK to ask a smoker to hold off 'till after the meal. But if you're MickyDee's and somone lights up, they're probably doing you a favour.

It's moot here in Toronto because of the ban on nightclub, bar, and restaurant smoking. Rumour has it that there's still cozy little pubs here where you can light up when it's only regs around. likewise if I found someone smoking in the ladies room, I'd keep it to myseff. Overall though, the smoking ban is a good idea. Toronto has terrible air pollution as it is.

While I agree with the kick in the face idea on paper, in real life I settled for telling them just once exactly how I felt about smoking with a baby on board. After that, I've never had to actually watch it happen.
 
I love good tobacco. Never had a ciggy in my life. Smoke a pipe occasionally, very occasionally. Great tobacco is a wonderful thing.

I have nothing against tobacco companies or smokers. I think smokers are a persecuted minority :(

I also believe restaurants and businesses ought to set their own smoking policies free from government interference.
 
DannyinJapan said:
You guys should see the ads in Japan for cigarrettes.
99.999% of them feature teenage, and I mean 14 or 15 year old WHITE girls or twenty-something WHITE guys.
The ad for "Pianissimo" cigarrettes has like a 13 yr old in an evening gown.
Soooo, Danny-san... any of your usual picture links of these Smoking Japanese Girls?


Ad Astra :footinmou :p :footinmou
 
If have yet to meet someone who is smoking while eating. If someone did so, I would be bothered. Restaurants and smoking dont fit together for me, agreed. Then again, it should be up to the restaurant to decide what to do. If you don't like it, don't go there. My dads smokes after everyone is finished, but only at home. Not in restaurants where other people might be disturbed.

Danny, interesting what you said about the japanese commercials. I have yet to see one, but then again, it woudn't change much for me. Here in Germany, you're allowed to smoke at the age of 16. Cigarettes can be bought at vending machines though, so younger kids smoke as well. I'm starting to feel really sorry every time I see a 10-12 year old smoking - they don't grasp what they're doing to their bodies, they just think it's cool. Of course they know about the effects, but they probably think that it's just not going to happen to them. I don't like those vending machines, since they make it hard to control the age at which people start.

Then it's their choice. I have asked any of those kids to quit smoking - ain't my business. If they decided todestroy themselves, fine, so be it. I'm just hoping that my kids [should I ever have any] will be smarter.

Keno
 
In Japan, the tobacco monopoly is owned by the government.
Thus, cigarrettes are to be seen puffing away just about everywhere, including the teachers room of every elementary school in Japan.
Ill take a pic tomorrow if I remember to.
 
I support a person's right to smoke.

However I don't want to breathe that smoke.

If I am out at somebodies place or a bar where the majority are smoking, that's OK with me, but I probably won't stay as long because smoke makes me kinda sick.

As far as tobacco companies marketing techniques-

#1 priority of most any corporation, especially publicly owned ones is to make money. Any sort of moral ethical concerns are secondary to making money if they are considered at all.

It is the governments job to regulate those corporations to make sure that environmental, worker safety, or public health concerns are met. Also if the corporation is in the business of selling a product, don't expect them to tell the truth about any of it's effects. Demand that the government hold them accountable for any false claims.
 
The point is that the government does not have any interest to meet any of those concerns - if they really did, they'd be out of money. It's the same thing with the so-called war on drugs - even IF they'd win that war, just imagine what would happen.

Keno
 
DannyinJapan said:
In Japan, the tobacco monopoly is owned by the government.
Thus, cigarrettes are to be seen puffing away just about everywhere, including the teachers room of every elementary school in Japan.
Ill take a pic tomorrow if I remember to.

in the US, the tobacky companies and the government are partners. Not only through taxes, but through the tobacco company "settlement".
 
I think there are two main roots to this problem. The first is allowing corporations to form. This makes business a powerful force, that needs a balance. That balance is supposed to be government.

The second is the cigarette as we know it; A device designed to deliver concentrated nicotine into the user and anyone near him.

It would be great if there were no huge corporations creating items like cigarettes or equally bloated governments to regulate and codify everything. But we've come too far to put either of those things back into Pandora's box. So we're stuck trying to balance these forces, while the pair of them burn the world.

As an aside, I can't think of a better way to illustrate the disgustingness of cigarettes than a good cigar or a pipe full of well grown tobacco. Good tobacco is a form of art right up there with wine and cheese. Even the original cigarette or cigarillo is nice.
 
"The point is, smokers are cheaper on the health system - they die earlier, and they die cheaper"

Richardallen, you want back that statement up with something?
My 19 yrs. experience in hospitals tells very differently.
 
Well, of course they are. I mean they put "this product will kill you" right on the package.
 
Bill, for that I'd have to drive home and find and translate a book about statistics. Too much of a hassle, but I'll try to find the title, I believe it was an american author, so it might be available in english as well.

I too have worked in a hospital, and surprisingly many of the doctors share this opinion.

It's about statistics - short explanation: smokers have lungs cancer. they have legs that need to be amputated et cetera BUT they die a couple years earlier [i just thought about something - likely the health system in the US is a bit different, but it might work there as well]. since everyone dies eventually, they're likely to end up in a hospital at some point, and it seems that those problems that occur at higher ages are more expensive to solve than those that the smokers have about 5-10 years earlier. can you see where i'm getting at ?

regards, Keno
 
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