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shane justice

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Ok folks...

Arnold has denied clemency for Tookie...

All you guys living in Urban Environs...

Wire your collective shite...

If Tookie is executed....things may well break loose...

I worked the King riots in SF...not cool...

Just a heads up...

Shane
 
I think I'm far enough from urbanity for safety. I hadn't thought of this rioting angle though. Thanks.
 
I almost posted something earlier, but couldn't find a way to say what I wanted to, without saying what I didn't want to.

Anyway,

Stay safe
 
shane justice said:
Ok folks...

Arnold has denied clemency for Tookie...

All you guys living in Urban Environs...

Wire your collective shite...

If Tookie is executed....things may well break loose...
I worked the King riots in SF...not cool...

Just a heads up...

Shane
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Not if, but when- early tomorrow morning.
Maybe those scum inclined to create mayhem wont riot?
We can only hope.

If there is rioting, anyone in the area would do well to barricade themselves indoors with loaded weaponry. Large dogs would be nice too.
 
Wow. That's a perspective that hadn't occurred to me. Thankfully, not a real big concern for me though. Rioting just aint half the fun in alot of the Northern areas.

Hope y'all that are in that nasty lil' zone watch out for yerselves.

heh...zombie attack indeed...
 
I'm afraid of the reasons by which we justify murder. I don't want to see anyone die getting caught in the rage of 'protest' over this. These things get built. They gain steam.

Frightening stuff.


munk
 
You think there'd be a riot? I mean from what I have read the guy kind of turned against the guys that would do the rioting so would they be glad he got smoked or mad at the man for doing it:confused: Hard to figure.
 
Luckily, i live far enough away from any place that's going to riot. I would imagine that urban centers would be pretty high alert. Also any place that has a lot of gang activity is obviously going to be pretty dangerous. Whether he deserves what he gets or not doesn't matter any more, just staying safe does.

Jake
 
More than anything I wonder...

If this man does not deserve clemency....then who does?

In his place...could I have done as well...or as much?

I believe this man is guilty of murder...if not the ones he has been convicted of...then others of which we do not know.

But, while his good work does not erase the crime,should his effort not have some value to the world.

And the answer to this is yes...his work has value...to the nation and the world...he has done a thing with no tools...except the ones he has forged in his own mind. He has done a thing which no other man has proven capable...

So we all wait together...to see if those who have been touched by his work will rebel at his passing...

IN all things I am comforted that God decides the truth of it...

Be safe.

Shane
 
I heard a radio interview with Ann Rule as I drove to work this morning. She is a crime writer specialising in serial killers and murderers. She has interviewed a lot of them.

The interviewerer asked her about the death penalty. She said she was not for it but society needed to be protected. She mentioned numerous instances of murderers sentenced to life in prision, then being model prisioners for 10 years or so, then getting released and killing again. She said many people addicted to killing are quite charming and sincere when imprisioned, and everyone thinks they've been rehabilitated untill they get out and do it again.

So her take was since we can't get the "life in prison" right, the death penalty is ok.

She has also interviewed many family members of victims for her books.

I'm not quite as sympathetic as Ann, and would advocate the death penalty for heinous crimes (like Mr. Williams committed) even if our "life in prison" sentences were meaningful. The fact that the murderer can be charming and nice while locked up on death row counts for little in my opinion.

It would be a mistake to let lady justice take off her blindfold and render judgment based on her perception of the probability of a riot.
 
I agree Howard....

I do not discount the idea that people on Death Row can "act" out a role that might gain them freedom.

And I will not claim that this is not the case here....

No way to know.

Shane
 
Tough stuff. I hope it doesn't go south. If it does and any of you are near it, be careful. Be safe.

Chris
 
hollowdweller said:
You think there'd be a riot? I mean from what I have read the guy kind of turned against the guys that would do the rioting so would they be glad he got smoked or mad at the man for doing it:confused: Hard to figure.
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A lot of rioting is an excuse for looting, and venting rage. I don't think the stated reason matters a whole lot.
 
Didn't think about possible rioting. Don't think there will be any but will keep my irons loaded and khuks sharp. Think about the poor people in the San Francisco area who voted to ban handguns in the their city just so they could be safer.:o :thumbdn:

Anyway I consider all gang bangers domestic terrorists who should be hunted down in the same way we are doing Al Qaida. Tookie is going out easy.
 
Talking about the riots that took place during the Rodney King deal a few years ago, when the officers who beat him were not convicted by the Sun Valley jury? (Not sure of the details of the trial.)

Anyway, So. Central LA, the whole Korean grocer thing, Reginald Denny getting the living $H%* beat out of him (the only excuse you need to carry something cocked and locked on the seat beside you!) cops ignoring the looters, etc., etc., etc., right?

There was something of a funny incident that happened surrounding that. (And I apologize if I have mentioned it before, but I am getting forgetful in my doddering old age.)

A roving news crew looking for human interest stories and "man on the street" perspective of the verdict, stopped a young black guy on the street to seek his opinion.

He was wearing a new unlaced Nike shoe on one foot, and a new unlaced Reebok shoe on the other foot, each different sizes, and was wearing a new Armani / designer jacket, that was so large the sleeves were rolled up, and carrying bags of goods that were obviously taken to express his rage at the system, etc.

The interviewer asked him what he thought of the Rodney King verdict. His response: "I dunno, I don't follow sports." !

So much for justifying the looting. For some people, anything is an excuse to steal and commit murder. Look at some of the behavior in the Astrodome recently, or the last time there was a major power outage in New York City...

The Boy Scout Motto is always good advice. ;)

Norm
 
Tough call for Der Governator, but I have to admire his fortitude. Knuckling under could set a precedent to the extent that every slimeball on death row would suddenly start trying to parlay their new found "saintliness" for a remission of their guilt. I'm sure Tookie's endeavors while incarcerated have positively affected the lives of others, and he should take comfort in that. However, his impending death is at his own hands, the people whose murders he participated in never had the opportunity for an "appeal", and they certainly didn't have Snoop Dog going on national television advocating that they be shown mercy. Now that Tookie's had his dance, it's time to pay the piper.

Sarge
 
I suppose we should remember that Arnold simply refused to get involved and deferred to the courts' decisions. After all, he was not the only one to deny Tookie. If I'm not mistaken, Tookie appealed his case as completely as he could and exhausted all of his reprieve and clemency options. Arnold was just the last and most visible rung of the ladder. I guess when governors fail to grant clemency, they could simply be making a statement that they have faith in the legal system and support its ability to make the call. God, I wonder what I would have decided in Arnold's place?

Chris
 
I hope no rioting comes from this--innocent people will be hurt and neighborhoods will be burned that may never recover...

I also hope that if anyone incites these actions by their words or actions, and those actions lead to deaths, that they are prosecuted. And that includes Al sharpton and jesse jackson.

We need to hold people accountable for yelling fire in the crowded theater don't we?

NOTE: this tookie thing certainly makes you think about our justice system and how our society views redemption, and how those views shift and change when you add in other factors such as poverty,race,and politics.

What about precedent? does the ability to reform yourself on death row (some would argue you should never have the time to do this anyway) change the fact that you were sentenced to death? Should it? Should this be used as an argument FOR or AGAINST the the death penalty? Or both.
 
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