TOPS Black Star and Laser Strike

moosez45 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else find the humor in a "Hotlink is theft" image posted about a knife that was created by another manufacturer several years ago but is being "imitated" by another? Ironic. :D

Moose
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That's funny.
 
They look like the same design. Only one is for combat and one is for bushcraft ( I'm guessing).does anyone have a price difference between the two? I'm sure it is pretty significant.
 
R.A.T. said:
I can assure you there is no stealing of anything going on. TOPS and us are great friends. The Black Star sort of came from the Laser Strike. Different knife with the swedge though.
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3 points of difference make it a totally different knife:
sharpened spine
no spindle notch
spine of handle flush with the scales.

same with the LS 2 - very similar silhouette as the dark star, but:
no sharpened spine
storage under the scales
2 screw attachment
bow drill divot
 
R.A.T. said:
I can assure you there is no stealing of anything going on. TOPS and us are great friends. The Black Star sort of came from the Laser Strike. Different knife with the swedge though.
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I agree 100%, I was simply looking at the irony. TOPS is an American Company selling American products, and thus, get my knife money. I have a couple of TOPS knives and they are good stuff.

Didn't mean to stir up any shit. My bad.

Moose
 
Don't feel bad I already brought this up in a past thread look up shot show is over esee forum
 
No harm done. My point is people are way too quick to say someone is stealing this or that and all it really does it cause tension amongst good companies that may well have shaken hands are said "Go ahead and make that old design."

Sad part is about the only thing that really keeps knock-offs from happening is simple people not electing to knock-off a design. There is no legal protection if you don't have a patent. The only way to get a patent is have a patentable feature and then you have to apply for a patent within one year of inventing the patentable design.
 
My point being is there are a ton of misconceptions about a blade shape being protected and it not being "legal" for someone else to produce it without license or permission. Simply not true. Any company can knock off anything they want if they're that low class, and there's not much that can be done about it. For example, XYZ Knife company could start making the Junglas tomorrow and it be an EXACT knockoff and about the only then we could do about it is murder them on the internet (and we would) or send Moose to break the company owner's legs (and we would really consider that option too). Now, if they took the name "Junglas" then we would put lawyers on their ass because that IP is protected through the USPTO.
 
R.A.T. said:
My point being is there are a ton of misconceptions about a blade shape being protected and it not being "legal" for someone else to produce it without license or permission. Simply not true. Any company can knock off anything they want if they're that low class, and there's not much that can be done about it. For example, XYZ Knife company could start making the Junglas tomorrow and it be an EXACT knockoff and about the only then we could do about it is murder them on the internet (and we would) or send Moose to break the company owner's legs (and we would really consider that option too). Now, if they took the name "Junglas" then we would put lawyers on their ass because that IP is protected through the USPTO.
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Leg breaker. Check.

GTG, lemme know if you need me.

Moose
 
R.A.T. said:
My point being is there are a ton of misconceptions about a blade shape being protected and it not being "legal" for someone else to produce it without license or permission. Simply not true. Any company can knock off anything they want if they're that low class, and there's not much that can be done about it. For example, XYZ Knife company could start making the Junglas tomorrow and it be an EXACT knockoff and about the only then we could do about it is murder them on the internet (and we would) or send Moose to break the company owner's legs (and we would really consider that option too). Now, if they took the name "Junglas" then we would put lawyers on their ass because that IP is protected through the USPTO.
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i completely understand your point. It was just that sentence that i quoted got me all tongue tied, haha. In any case, I'd say its pretty cool that no one actually does go out and knock other people's shit off in the knife world. People borrow ideas, but it is almost always cited.
 
The funny part about this knockoff business and the hotlink jokes are that china was using the images to make knockoffs of TOPS, right down to the "made in USA" logo, and selling them on ebay. They tried to take some precautions after that. I can't blame 'em, and give TOPS an attaboy for at least trying some how to stop 'em
 
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randomlooker said:
Does it actually have a double edge, or is that just a swedge?
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The Black Star just has a swedge, I have one of those. Tough knife, like a tactical bushcraft knife, I really like it. I believe there is another version with an actually sharpened spine now too though.
 
mistwalker said:
The Black Star just has a swedge, I have one of those. Tough knife, like a tactical bushcraft knife, I really like it. I believe there is another version with an actually sharpened spine now too though.
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Thanks. I like the looks of the knife, but I think I'll wait for the LS to come out. I just got my first TOPS knife (Cheetah), and while it's fine and dandy in most respects, I don't really care for the thick grind, which the BS appears to share (As do most of their knives). I do prefer the looks of the scales on the BS, though.
 
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