id go with the rat,i just got my first one and i love it.cant say the same about my tops knife i bought at a gun show about a year ago,if i had pics id show them to you,but i broke a tom brown tracker batoning fire wood,which seems like it would be their most heavy duty blade.broke the bastard right in the recurve.what it boils down to is this:all knives have the ability to be broken,and since we really dont know the abuse the knives in the pics had suffered in their short lives,its hard to condemn their quality.the best way to look at it is this,would you rather break a 200+ dollar knife with ok customer service,or a knife you can buy around 85-90 bucks with great customer service and a lifetime warranty to boot.it all just depends on how you treat your knife.just because they have a reputation for being tough doesnt make them unbreakable.hope this helps. sorry for rambling,i just had 3 cups of coffee.