Tops vs Busse which is better?

I think the thing that alot of people over look on the tracker is that it is designed for versatility rather than excellence at any one task, and the general opinion is that the tops design doesn't stack up to the David Beck origional.
 
Boats said:
You didn't happen to attend the Kevin McClung School of Interpersonal Relationships to gain such valuable insights did you?
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Now THAT is funny!

I've seen more than enough of those and some from another source to last a lifetime.

Entertaining for a bit, but ultimately boring.

I have also noted a (very), few jingoistic supporters of Busse pop up in the last year or so. Very shrill to my ears.

Jerry, would never get into this, merely stating an invitation to a live side by side test to any other makers blade(s). None have accepted as of yet.

The most telling of this invitation was, on Busse's part, that he would not put up his top of the line blades, but the second tiere, more affordable blades. The Basics a few years back and the Swamp Rat line more recently.

Still, no takers.

How much confidence is that in your product?

Rob
 
razorsdescent said:
I think the thing that alot of people over look on the tracker is that it is designed for versatility rather than excellence at any one task, and the general opinion is that the tops design doesn't stack up to the David Beck origional.
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Id have to agree with that, tops version strictly speaking. Im going to test out the tops design in versatility and some of the tests its designed for per the manual as well as some cliff stamp specials this saturday/sunday so i should be posting some results here shortly.

ihave to say im rooting for it to come through as a great example but we'll see!
 
Boats said:
Sarcasm? More like an apology with a little classical zest. I thought the owners could take it or I wouldn't have posted it. I don't know how many more times I can say that the vast majority of you guys are alright, and my memories are somehow darker than they should be in retrospect.

So I did what the usual internet idiot did:

1) Stepped in it.
2) Instead of stepping out of it, went in with both feet.
3) Started digging.
4) Decided it wasn't worth it.
5) Admitted to stepping into it
6) Admitted that I might not even clearly remember what "it" even was.
7) Sort of apologized for stepping in it.
8) Remained convinced that there was still something to "it," but that maybe it doesn't really smell as bad as I remembered it.
9) Sort of made amends to the folks who didn't become insufferable pricks about my turning into an insufferable prick.
10) Had to get a last shot in, even if it was oblique, elitist, and sarcastic.
11) Wrote this explainer.
12) Damn, now for the first time in two years I want a Busse, that is if you guys could ever see fit to suffering my presence. Remember, there is no bigger zealot than the recent convert.;)

There, a 12 step program for the passive/aggressive.:D
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Boats that is what happens to everyone. I have had Tops Anaconda and steel eagle. I work my knives very hard. I can send you samples of the ones that are still around. I have broken some of the most popular knives being sold today and I will not mention what they are. I have not broken a Busse yet. It isn't only that INFI holds an edge as good as S30V, it isn't only that it is as tough as L6, it isn't only that it is as wear resistant as CPM3V, it isn't only that it is easier to sharpen than 1095, it is that it rolls the best atributes of all these steels in one package. So yes, there are steels as tough, abrassion resistant, hold an edge as well and are as easy to sharpen, but no one steel that I know of has ever combined all these attributes into one seel.


Walking Man said:
Alright, fine, but ONLY because you twisted my arm!...
The whole "self regulation" thing has gone too far IMO. If you don't agree what someone says, at least be nice about it. I think there's been too much ganging up on folks like me and Peter La lately, and there has been quite a bit of retorical rudeness. We're only human, and stuff happens. If you want us to be nice, set a good example, don't try to act like a screaming soccer parent!
I once read a really good book called "Good Omens" (a humorous look at the apocalyse!, I recommend it) That describes certain Angels as smiting a bit harder than what is actually required, because they enjoyed it. The current state of things on the Busse forums reminded me of that statement.
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Oh man can he just stop. Edited was better:D




wetdog1911 said:
Now THAT is funny!

I've seen more than enough of those and some from another source to last a lifetime.

Entertaining for a bit, but ultimately boring.

I have also noted a (very), few jingoistic supporters of Busse pop up in the last year or so. Very shrill to my ears.

Jerry, would never get into this, merely stating an invitation to a live side by side test to any other makers blade(s). None have accepted as of yet.

The most telling of this invitation was, on Busse's part, that he would not put up his top of the line blades, but the second tiere, more affordable blades. The Basics a few years back and the Swamp Rat line more recently.

Still, no takers.

How much confidence is that in your product?

Rob
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Yep, Busse is pretty much avoided at shows so that other makes do not have to compete. Shoot at blade 2006 I walked around with my 8 inch PBF waiting for someone to talk crap so I could initiate at mini competition at their booth. No one talked crap at all. They knew better.
 
I think Cobalt hit the nail on the head. Infi does many things well. I think it holds an edge a helluva *lot* better than S30V, unless the S30V is hardened above 60 HRC, which almost nobody does. I don't own L6, so I can't speak to this, but I have found Infi even better at impacts than 5160, which is impressive. It definitely sharpens easily, with very little burring, one of the easiest steels I've found so far to sharpen. I have found 3V to be more wear resistant, but it was a qualitative test, and I hope to be more careful and keep better records next time. I also consider it almost stainless, which can be a nice plus.

It's hard to find a steel with this many good attributes. I used a BM-E last year to limb and buck a pretty good sized tree, and it was still surprisingly sharp when I got done. Good stuff!
 
darkestthicket said:
Id have to agree with that, tops version strictly speaking. Im going to test out the tops design in versatility and some of the tests its designed for per the manual as well as some cliff stamp specials this saturday/sunday so i should be posting some results here shortly.

ihave to say im rooting for it to come through as a great example but we'll see!
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Thanks :D
im looking firward to that reveiw.:thumbup:
 
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