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BRADY'S ANTI-GUN AD CAMPAIGN IS 'TOURIST TERRORISM'

CCRKBA BELLEVUE, WA – A deplorable advertising effort mounted by the Brady Campaign to Control Gun Violence that warns tourists they might be killed by legally-armed Florida residents is tantamount to terrorism, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said today.

The Brady Campaign is running ads in several American cities and in the United Kingdom that say "Warning: Florida residents can use deadly force." Another advertisement warns Florida-bound tourists to "Use special caution in arguing with motorists on Florida roads." The Florida tourism industry is properly furious, and Sunshine State gun owners have every right to feel insulted.

"The Brady Campaign has descended to a new low," said CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron. "This factually-challenged organization has always been extremist in its philosophy. Spreading hysteria is their political stock in trade, but now they are deliberately trying to terrify tourists, including those from other countries. To do that, they're openly suggesting that legally armed, law-abiding Florida residents are emotionally unbalanced to the point that they would gun down tourists.

"Because their insidious gun control schemes have been increasingly rejected by American voters, Congress and state legislatures," Waldron continued, "these rabid anti-freedom zealots are now trying to villify our country in the eyes of foreign visitors. The Brady bunch is essentially telling British subjects not to come here because legally-armed American citizens cannot be trusted, and might murder them.

"The Brady camp simply cannot bring itself to admit that America is safer because its citizens retain and exercise their firearm civil rights," Waldron observed. "Anti-gun fanatics despise the fact that millions of Americans are legally armed, and that their campaign of vitriol couldn't change that. But now they are taking their message of hate and social bigotry toward American gun owners to the international level. In the process, they are slandering the reputation of the great state of Florida, and demonizing its residents.

"Even for the Brady Campaign, sinking to this level of contemptibility just didn't seem possible," Waldron acknowledged. "These people long ago proved they have no credibility. Now they are demonstrating to the world that they have no shame."

Unbelievable!

iBear
 
My last visit to Florida saw me wandering erratically and asking stupid questions in my funny accent. At no point did I get the idea that anyone was going to shoot me, dispite my behaviour.

This is is a desperate attempt by the Brady Campaign to hold Florida's tourist revenue hostage via economic warfare.One has to admire the ruthless timing given Florida's recent hurricane damage. It's a cunning plan, with just one obvious flaw: both sides share the same nationality.
 
The campaign cuts both ways. Bradyites think they'll pressure or punish Florida by hurting the tourist industry. But they've simply been destroying their own credibility to the point that many Democrats are being much more circumspect about "gun control" these days.

Mrs. Brady is much like Mrs. Sheehan. They both took personal loss and used it for political gain. The media may have the poor judgement to support this, but it's evident that the population at large does not.

I hope the publicity they generate will lead more Americans to consider the idea of concealed carry and the right not to be a victim. :)
 
Ms Brady is a republican right?? I think Sheehan is and has always been a Democrat? Brady is from a well off family and Sheehan is pretty much middle class too.

Both have suffered a loss and decided to become politically active about it.

As far as Ms Brady she will not be happy till all guns are banned. I mean look at the crime rate. It's at a 30 year low!!! As far as I can see there is no reason for further gun control measures.

On the other hand the war in Iraq is not going well.The UN weapons inspectors said they hadn't found any WMD and we kicked them out and went in before they were done. We didn't preserve order in the postwar period, and the torture and abuse approved by the highest levels of government have encouraged more terrorisim.

So what I am saying is the two are DIFFERENT, in that Ms Brady does not have the facts to back up her assertion that we need more gun control, while the Iraq situation pretty much backs up Sheehan's. It's getting worse every day.
 
I think both of HD and Esav are right. It's true that Ms. Brady's anti-gun crusade is probably a little outdated. I THINK people are starting to see the picture that guns are only as dangerous as the person that owns them. Ms. Brady suffered a terrible loss, but the fact remains that it was the man behind the trigger that was at fault, not the gun. Furthermore, I think Ms. Sheehan has her right to make her statement and protest the war. That is what America is all about. However, Ms. Sheehan has started to say some pretty loopy things about the country, Isreal, and has, IMHO, become more and more accustom to the spotlight. A little too accustom. There is conservative and there is liberal. These are great things that promote healthy dialog so that those of us in the middle of the road can best decide where to cast our vote. However, outliers on the issues are what gets the media attention. Anti-gun crusaders, bible-thumping nutjobs, let's-bake-the-terrorists-cookies fruitcakes, Gays are the devil idiots, etc etc etc.
This tourist terriorism thing is just a little bit goofy to me, though.

Jake
 
The Iraq situation hardly 'backs up' Sheean's continueing Far Left rants. She has long left the realm of logic and has revealed her strong fringe belief systems. Enough of her.

The importance of what Brady et al is doing is that they have intentionally left facts behind in their propaganda. Many of you are aware they included the names of Five New Mexico Sheriffs (? I'll get my own facts straight right if pressed and after my first cup of coffee) not to long ago in tesitifying before Congress. These Gentlemen never signed on to their program. Brady lies.

The law in Florida is not written in such a way as to allow you to shoot someone because you're nervous- as is being said. It's the old cop killer armor piercing indetectable plastic gun BS all over.



munk
 
Steely_Gunz said:
However, Ms. Sheehan has started to say some pretty loopy things about the country, Isreal, and has, IMHO, become more and more accustom to the spotlight. A little too accustom. Jake
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I think that is because she is NOT accustomed to the spotlight. If you look at a successful political machine, like Karl Rove's for instance, or Clinton's Dick Morris/Carville team, the strength is they always stayed ON message. If you look at non professional politicians and activists they have a tendency to stray from their message, and it makes it much easier for the opposition to focus in on the offbeat things they may have said rather than the actual message they are seeking to convey. The "Dean Scream" and Gores "I invented the internet" are good examples of this.

The thing about politics is not everyone is going to agree with every political position of a person or rep. So say you are trying to stop a message from gaining power. What you want to do is you want to try to peel off some of the support by finding controversial or just plain stupid things people say, and then rather than argue your opposition on the basis of the merits of the actual issue, you try to use the ways they DIFFER from their supporters to drive a wedge between members of a group. The Bush family is excellent at this. The Democrats basically suck at it because they want to appeal to people's reason rather than emotion. However this did not work on Clinton because he stayed on message no matter what was thrown on him.
 
Never -- NEVER - let mere facts get in the way of good demagoguery (The ends justify the means!).

At least one thing the two "spokespersons" have in common is that they have now become "stars." What a rush to be quoted, interviewed on TV, told how great thou art, in the company of the Hollywood "elite," pictured in the medja, arrested just like the Civil Rights leaders of lore.

As for one having the facts, Miz Cindy says Bush "knew" there were no WMD's in Iraq and "lied" to the American people." The fact is that every major intelligence service in the world, including that of France, thought Iraq DID have WMD's. 'Course we now know that Iraq was doing it's very best to convey that impression (including sending out thinly-coded deployment orders) as a supposed guarantee againast invasion. But never let facts get in the way of good demagoguery.
 
, and then rather than argue your opposition on the basis of the merits of the actual issue, you try to use the ways they DIFFER from their supporters to drive a wedge between members of a group. The Bush family is excellent at this. The Democrats basically suck at it because they want to appeal to people's reason rather than emotion.>>>>>>>>> Hollowdweller

All of us know Hollow and I are friends and nothing can change that. We also know that it is perceptions like this from my friend that allow me to ponder if Hollow lives on the same planet as I. He does not. (he lives in HollowVille- I live in the Munk Compound.)
I remember Democrats screaming that any reform of SS will leave Seniors starving in the streets. I remember Democrats talking about cop killer bullets and how the NRA was anti cop. I remember how the Second Amendment is only about the National Guard. I remember how we only went to Iraq because we wanted OIL. I remember how tax cuts only benefit the rich. I remember School Vouchers were a plot to wipe out the large Education establishment.
I remember how drilling in Anwar is designed to kill Caribou. I remember how logging and trimming trees in Ca is designed to kill habitat, so we let it all burn down instead.

I am only reluctantly a voting Republican however. If the Libertarians would give up some of their own wacko beliefs- like a unilateral open border- I'd vote Libertarian.



munk
 
With the happy-slapping and stabbings on the rise, Florida is probably safer than many parts of the U.K.
 
Steely_Gunz said:
However, Ms. Sheehan has started to say some pretty loopy things about the country, Isreal
Jake
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I think that what she said about Israel is a diversion and she should not have said it.

HOWEVER ;)

If one looks at the reasons for war and the players involved, you will find a majority of the people pushing for war with Iraq have had a history of financial benefit from Israel, and many like Richard Perle have been investigated for passing military secrets and classified information to Israel.

For instance Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith was Middle East analyst in the National Security Council in the administration President Ronald Reagan, but was removed because he had been the object of a FBI inquiry into whether he had provided classified material to an official of the Israeli embassy in Washington

Feith left government service and trading off of his political contacts, he became a lobbyist and foreign agent, representing Turkey and some Israeli interests as well. In 1996, Feith, a supporter of the Likud in Israel, co-authored a paper for the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu advising him to end the Oslo peace process,

In 2001, Douglas Feith returned to DoD as Donald Rumsfeld's Undersecretary for Policy, and it was in his office that "OSP", the Office of Special Plans, was created. It was OSP that originated
a lot of the intelligence that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have used to justify the attack on Iraq

Feith runs a law firm, Feith & Zell, which only has one international office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer

Wolfowitz was investigated in 1978 for providing a classified document on the proposed sale of a U.S. weapons system to an Arab government to an Israeli official via an AIPAC staffer.

in 1992, the first Bush Administration launched investigation into the export of classified technology to China. Of particular concern at the time was the transfer to China by Israel of U.S. Patriot missiles and/or technology. During that investigation the Pentagon discovered that Wolfowitz's office was promoting the export to Israel of advanced AIM-9M air-to-air missiles.

In this instance, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, aware that Israel had already been caught selling the earlier AIM 9-L version of the missile to China in violation of a written agreement with the U.S. on arms re-sales, intervened to cancel the proposed AIM deal. (The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the time was General Colin Powell)

Richard Perle In 1970, one year after he was hired by Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, an FBI wiretap authorized for the Israeli Embassy picked up Perle discussing classified information with an embassy official.

In 1981, shortly before being appointed Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy (ISP)--with responsibility, inter alia, for monitoring of U.S. defense technology exports, Richard Perle was paid a substantial consulting fee by arms manufacturer Tamares, Ltd. of Israel. Shortly after assuming that post, Perle wrote a letter to the Secretary of the Army urging evaluation and purchase of 155 mm. shells manufactured by Soltam, Ltd. After leaving the ISP job in 1987, he worked for Soltam.

So what I am trying to say is that although no smoking gun exsists that says we went to Iraq to protect Israel, I believe that there is some question as to whether or not that Israel, who had the greatest interest in seeing Saddam gone, didn't use players in our government who have benefitted financially from them to lobby for the invasion. I mean Saddam paid families of suicide bombers in Israel and had a standing army that had the best chance of taking them on. While I would have had no problem with Israel taking out Saddam, I thought them bombing the Iraq reactor in 81? was a good idea, I don't feel that they should have such a strong influence in our foreign policy.

So while I think Sheehan should have stayed clear from the subject some light does need to be shone in that area. :thumbup:
 
munk said:
What's 'happy slapping'?



munk
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Beating up strangers and recording the video on your cel phone, to put it on the internet. There was a rash of it in some cities over there, but the reports seem to have died down.
 
Scattered thoughts from a shattered mind.

>My dad's mom was close to politics. She served as a D in the Ky. House, and her brother was state D Chairman for 23 years. She told me, "Politicians are to facts as children are to soap - passing acquaintance."

>Politics today is largely about images ("He will do more for us."), and we are left to sort out who disturbs us least. There is little discussion of substance because the pols think that does not "sell." And they are right. So we only get sound bites full of selling words. ("Kelly. Experienced. For the
People. Against evil. Supports good. Loves his mom.")

>Democracy? Out of all the adults in the U.S. who were not prohibited from registering to vote, Clinton never got the votes of as many as 25%. Typically, half register. Half of those registered vote. He never got 50% of the popular vote. It's just not important in the minds of most.

Thank God! If they can't bother to vote, how informed would their choices be if they did vote? (Ask the D's. The answer to that question guides their behavior.)

>As a nation, it is our habit to plan only for the short-term. We are not alone in this.​
 
Hollow, be careful examing the interaction between two nations, the US and Israel, without examing the interaction of the other nations in the area or in the world. By leaving that out, it is quite easy to cast a cloud of seeming impropriety where none exists. It is currently fashionable in Left Europe to Bash or minimize Israel and Jews. I see this as an alarming trend. Of course Israel exerts pressure on US foreign policy. To make a leap and say we went to Iraq because of Israel, (which you did not do) is nonsense.


munk
 
Like I said before, I have no problem with Ms. Sheehan voicing her opinion or protesting the war. The problem I have with her is that i think (and i could be wrong) that she is about as informed on the situations and world politics as I am. She is a woman that lost her son to a violent end. It is sad and unfair, but there are 1000's like her. If she wants to protest the war, that is her right. I don't agree with it either anymore, but i also don't pretend to understand it all. Make your anti-war statements and make your difference there. Pretending to know the ins and outs of US-Israel politics or boo-hooing because the media is covering the 1000s and 1000s of suffering from TWO 'canes slamming into the southern half of the country in a months time and not your war protest is ridiculous. Look, I'm a Fox News watcher, but the main reason for that is that it is the news network closest to the channel with all the cartoons on it. Like munk, I vote republican because it's the lesser of two evils IMHO. I only know what I'm told by the TV, just as Sheehan is only aware of what goes on in the world of the far left from her backers. This still only makes her an expert on being a grieving mother, not a jack-of-all-trades policical activist. I could be wrong, Ms. Sheehan might have a undergrade degree in political sciences. I don't know and will gladdly retract my point if that is the case.
In a way i envy the Loopy Left and the God fearing Right. At least they have an Ideology to cling to. Those of us in the middle are left grasping at straws, scratching our heads, and wondering just how in the hell we keep picking the wrong cup with the ball under it.

Good conversation, gentlemen
Jake
 
munk said:
Hollow, be careful examing the interaction between two nations, the US and Israel, without examing the interaction of the other nations in the area or in the world.

munk
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I am thinking about it. Why be concerned about Saddam's WMD if we are letting Israel have advanced weapons technology, and then turn around and sell it to China, who has missles pointed at us? Who poses the most threat?

Israel has a long history of military co-operation with China and is currently China's second biggest arms supplier. It helped China build its current F-10 fighter jet, which is virtually identical to Israel's discontinued Lavi fighter.

Israel has also provided China with instructors, advisers and technicians. This unlikely friendship has been a persistent cause of friction between the US and Israel; matters came to a head in 1999 when Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) agreed to sell China a Phalcon airborne early warning system for $250m.

Although Israel insists that the radar system does not contain US technology, US officials claim that the Phalcon closely resembles the US AWACS system.

The sale of such advanced military technology, the Pentagon argued, would tip the military balance between China and Taiwan in China's favour. After a year of US pressure, Israel withdrew from the deal. A year later in April 2000, a close encounter between a US surveillance plane and a Chinese warplane revealed, through photographs, that the Chinese jets were armed with Israeli-made Python missiles.

So while I support Israel 100% in it's right to exsist and have no problems with aid to the country, I think that we have to be real careful to realize we have to protect our own national interests.
 
cliff355 said:
Well, like Jack Nicholson inferred, maybe we can't handle the truth. Personally, I think the Master Plan involves the US eliminating Iraq and Israel helping out with the Ayatollah's nuclear program - since there is no way the U.S. Congress will ever let GWB "drive on" to Tehran. After all, we just sold Israel a whole slug of JDAM bombs, and you don't use those for dynamiting fish.

But I'm O.K. with that - the Muslim's threaten the world and IMHO Israel is just the first domino in the string.
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But DO remember that part of the Iran Contra affair involved the sales of US arms TO Iran thru Israel.
 
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