tourniquet

[skammer]

Not sure what Skammer's point is??? The following is from his gospel WEMSI:



Dr. Anthony Pusateri works with hemostatic—blood-stopping—dressings and powders at the U.S. Army Institute of Surgical.

I think this topic is done. Not sure what Skammer was trying to say but doesn't matter.

Agreed I think.

The military teaches TQ administration to all its medics and BTW blood stopping powders are not favored by many in the military but ARE used on the battlefield, the jury is still out on this topic. I suggest a good read Special Operation Forces Medical Handbook co authored by Dr Weiss. It should shed some light on some issues.


TQ's are a last resort under worst case scenarios far from help in order to avoid the patient bleeding out. Many regular first responder training do not teach it as its not their mandate to teach most patient care longer than the 15 mins for an ambulance to arrive. "Wilderness" First responder training does teach it where I am from. Do a google search for yourself.

TQ's are taught by many wilderness aid organizations and is still a valid treatment for a massive bleed that can otherwise not be stopped using direct pressure or pressure points. To not tie a TQ under these cricumstance is death for the patient in short order.

Please don't let me fracture a femor and severe the artery and nobody tie a TQ after all other means fail as my leg fills with 5 quarts of my blood killing me. Use your brain people. A situation (no disrespect) Liz will never see in his nice clean operating room as he has the means to cut tie off and replace fluids.



Skam

Still tired:yawn:

 

[Temper]

I dont know about everyone else, but I am getting a little tired myself of the combativeness that has arisen in this forum over the last few months. It used to have the feel of a bunch of like minded guys around a camp fire shooting the shit. Now its my knife is better than your knife so nurr nurr

C'mon guys for crying out loud, chill.

 

[skammer]

I don't know where you first respond, since every bit of information about you is classified but I doubt the people in your organization condone this type of attitude.
Chad

Err huh?

Chad we agree so whats the problem here? Tq's are a last resort so wheres the problem?

People in my organization practice correct medical WILDERNESS protocols.

I am not classified just some minimal distance from complete strangers.

How about you give out your full name, address and phone number then?

Skam

 

[skammer]

I dont know about everyone else, but I am getting a little tired myself of the combativeness that has arisen in this forum over the last few months. It used to have the feel of a bunch of like minded guys around a camp fire shooting the shit. Now its my knife is better than your knife so nurr nurr

C'mon guys for crying out loud, chill.

Yup it did, some low volume posters lately have been stiring it up it seems.

It used to be you could have an opinion without ducking for cover.

My first 450 posts were stress free.

Skam

 

[RunzWithScissors]

Err huh?

Chad we agree so whats the problem here? Tq's are a last resort so wheres the problem?

People in my organization practice correct medical WILDERNESS protocols.

I am not classified just some minimal distance from complete strangers.

How about you give out your full name, address and phone number then?

Skam

Well, you know that I'm from AZ from my post and that my first name is Chad. That is more than we know about you.

I also am a "WILDERNESS" first responder and know that generally by the time we hike into the scene that if the person needs a tourniquet that he will already be dead.

 

[Lion]

skammer, if you are going to use WEMSI to support your views, could you at least try reading the site? My apologies if you have. If you have you need to either take a reading comprehension course or you are a troll. You keep misquoting them. First you state, in another thread , that it is a WEMSI protocol to use iodine to irrigate wounds. As ColdCanuck points out, it isn't. The opposite is, in fact, true. Now you are saying that using a tourniquet is one of their protocols. As LSkylizard points out, it isn't.

So to sum up, you are wrong. The only question remaining is, are you wrong on purpose and hence a troll, or do you have problems understanding what you read? If it is the later, I'm sure you can find people willing to help you. Actually, I'd suggest getting help in either case.

Leo

 

[LSkylizard]

You’ve got about two minutes to save the life of a solider once you’ve blown up an artery and that artery is just squirting blood on the battlefield...

...read Special Operation Forces Medical Handbook...A situation...will never see in his nice clean operating room as he has the means to cut tie off and replace fluids...

Reviewed it...Do you know the last date of revised publication? (rhetorical, no reply required) Do you believe all Wilderness first aid responders have equivalent training or experience as Spec Ops Medics? (rhetorical, no reply required).

The "nice clean operating room" does see uncontrollable hemorrhage fairly regularly.
In the medical corps (I am in), we will not always have to deal with the "nice clean operating room".

...My first 450 posts were stress free...

As for this statement, I find that interesting. Given, I started this thread and you raged (maybe snored) on in multiple replies (about four) without really adding content or saying anything specific on the topic.

I still think this topic is likely done. Individuals now have the military and WEMSI statements on this issue (I posted both) and what I may or may not say on this matter is not important. I guess they can "interpret" these as they choose.

LSkylizard

 

[Brian Jones]

We like participation, not pontification, in this forum.

If folks here stopped needing to be "right" all the time, they might actually learn things from each other...