Trace Rinaldi Blade

If you have an interest in my initial experiences with Trace Rinaldi's Armageddon.... pop on over to

http://www.survival.com/trace.htm

This will be the custom blade featured in my two week solo survival skills video.

We will also be showing blades from TOPS as the production custom blade and from Becker as a production blade.

I hope to have a Becker page up soon. I've been evaluating several of their knives and I'm having a tough time figuring out which is my favorite. Unbeatable value is the theme however.

Ron

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Awesome! Thanks, Ron!

I've always been an admirer of Trace's work. I'm gonna have to start saving the pennies...

BTW, which Becker will you be featuring? I'm particularly interested in the Brute.
 
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Thanks! The craftsmanship is superb.

I am having a problem with the Becker line because they are all quite nice. The Brute is a fine big blade and a sweet chopper. In my collection it is the value champ. I really like the machete. I have also been using the tac tool as it is a good one for digging roots etc.

Karen uses the camp knife in the kitchen and won't let me take it outside. It bothers me that I spent a small fortune of "top of the line" kitchen knives for her and the only one that can KEEP an edge and keep cutting is her Becker camp knife... It is much better since I filled in the handle cavities which was the only shortcoming.

Advice? Get the Brute. Then save up and get a custom blade.

Ron




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I had a Talonite Chimera from Trace and it was superb. It turned out to not be the knife for me at the time, but I love his work. Now one of these Armageddon's with the small blade in Talonite...

Hey! Where'd my money go?

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Clay Fleischer
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Ron, that is a beautiful pair of knives. Can you tell us more about the small blade? I really like the looks of it. Is it A2 also?

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The small blade is 3.7 ounces with a 3 inch blade. The steel is also tempered by Paul Bos and is D2. It is a sweet little carver. If you've seen our videos I do a lot of carving to make traps, firebows etc. and the little carver is a critical tool. This one keeps a keen edge and is easy to bring to the hair popping level. The carving knife is the only blade I bring to that level.

It is also excellent for cleaning small game. All I've cleaned with it so far is a squirrel and a few trout I caught yesterday.

Trace has a couple of nice little carvers similar to the one I have.

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Hi guys,

Beautifull knives no doubt but I have to live with what I have.
The piggyback sheath set me thinking and my friend Joe Chen send me a very nice Busse Basic #9 sheath that at the moment still is waiting for the knife to arrive.
Joe's sheath is a very good one and incorporates a Firesteel holder (YES the Large Military Firesteels that our Scouting group now has for sale (the extra ones we ordered) )

I was fidling around and mounted the Camillus Talon sheath on the lower part of the Busse Basic 9 sheath and had to move the Firesteel holder to the back but now I have a modified-INFI/Talonite combo that probably is hard to beat
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Anyhow, it's a nice setup that didn't cost me an arm and a leg and should be capable of handling anything I could stumble into.

Now just a decent sharpening steel to go with the sheath, any suggestions?

Best Souting wishes from Holland,

Bagheera

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Bagheera- Look into either a DMT folding pocket sharpener, or the Tri-Seps from Lansky. They are both small, but even work good for large blades if your careful.
 
Very nice knife combo that should cover all needs.
Few questions and sidenotes:
- Is the small knife sheath detachable from the big one?
- What is the weight of the big 10" knife compared to the Brute, 9" Anaconda, Battle Mistress?
- Piggyback-style combos were popular among hunters in Europe one time probably for good reasons.
- I really like the flat ground (similar to large blade classics like the Jeff Randall endorsed Livesay survival knife, Battle Mistress, and CS Trailmaster) over the sabre ground (of others like the Brute and Anaconda). What difference in performance (chopping, binding, cutting) did you see between the Armageddon and the others you have tried?
- The index finger groove, the first time as I have seen on a big chopper blade, transformed into a subhilt. I only have seen it on fighting blades so far to facilitate the pull of the blade. Since even deep finger grooves have been disliked by some, I am wondering what is the rational behind this twist? Isn't it abrasive on the index finger during heavy chopping? Does it fit the hand with thick gloves too?
- Finally, any opinion or thoughts on the optimal length of a 'large' blade? We already passed 9 inch, is 11 inch even better?
Thanks for any input,

HM
 
Quick response to Bagheera's question:
go for the DIAMOND, only the DIAMOND, nothing but the DIAMOND. As for her ring too
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... Either flat 'stone' or rod by DMT for example. They come in different sizes and are all light. Diamond bites even into hard-to-sharpen steels.

HM
 
Originally posted by HM:
[- Is the small knife sheath detachable from the big one?

Yes. It unscrews with a P-38 can opener cleverly concealed in the belt loop. The leg cord then detaches to make the little blade into a neck knife. You can also rig a belt carry with the cord.

- What is the weight of the big 10" knife compared to the Brute, 9" Anaconda, Battle Mistress?

The Armageddon weighs just under 24 oz, the Anaconda about 22 oz. The brute 22.3 and the Busse's are in a box somewhere so I don't know.

- Piggyback-style combos were popular among hunters in Europe one time probably for good reasons.

I've used the style for years. My Simonich Nordooh is similarily equipped as is my Anaconda.

- I really like the flat ground (similar to large blade classics like the Jeff Randall endorsed Livesay survival knife, Battle Mistress, and CS Trailmaster) over the sabre ground (of others like the Brute and Anaconda). What difference in performance (chopping, binding, cutting) did you see between the Armageddon and the others you have tried?

Technique changes. The flat grind tends to bind more in soft woods so chops are made at alternate angles to free the chunks. Sabre grinds tend to be more ax like and toss the chunks.

Every knife is different in balance, geometry and weighting. The handle is critical for me. I find the Brute, the Anaconda and the Armageddon to be most comfortable. I do not like the Busse handle shape any longer (here we go again) as it cause MY hand blisters. This is an individual preference. I should add that I have dozens of large knives and there is no way I can review them all. Each has it's strong points.

- The index finger groove, the first time as I have seen on a big chopper blade, transformed into a subhilt. I only have seen it on fighting blades so far to facilitate the pull of the blade. Since even deep finger grooves have been disliked by some, I am wondering what is the rational behind this twist? Isn't it abrasive on the index finger during heavy chopping? Does it fit the hand with thick gloves too?

I don't use the forward finger choil as a grip when chopping. The subhilt/finger groove on the slabs allows the blade to rotate on the index finger. I use a loose snapping motion when I chop and the extra rotation I get on the groove facilitates blade control. I've only had the knife for a few days but I spent the better part of a day knocking down small trees and brush as well as using a baton to split wood (if it fails I want it to fail where I can go to my backup). In that day I had no hotspots or bruising.

The forward finger choil is great for choking up on the blade for cutting grooves in wood (to weaken the wood prior to breaking as in trap construction) and for light carving. It balances almost perfectly in that forward choil. Leather gloves work fine. Insulated or wool gloves might present a problem tho I haven't had a chance to test that yet.

- Finally, any opinion or thoughts on the optimal length of a 'large' blade? We already passed 9 inch, is 11 inch even better?

For my money I am about at short sword length now
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9 - 10 inches is about as large as I want. There is only about a little over an ounce of difference between 9 inch and 10 inch. The problems are with mounting my horse or bike and sitting. I usually sling the big blades for that reason.

Once you are over 10 inches you might as well go for the Becker machete. That is a great tool and at a fair price to boot.

That's my opinion...

I hope it helps.

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Hey, Ron, want to sell any of those poor old, beat up, devalued Busses? Hate for them to just sit in a box somewhere.

That subhilt does look like it would beat the crap out of your index finger while chopping. Seems like it would keep you from choking back, too. Looks like an awesome blade overall, though, and like everybody else, the little utility blade really caught my eye. Great combo.

My Busse NO's exposed tang does bang up my pinky finger a little when I chop with it.
The Brute's handles were too big for my small/medium hands-though very comfortable-and would shift while chopping (my grip, not the handles).
Don't think I'd like a subhilt on a chopper.
I'm just never happy
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Except when I'm looking for an excuse to buy a new knife
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Thanks Ron for the detailed answers.
The field detachable kneck knife is a wise construction IMO.
Sounds like 22-24 oz. is normal for 9-10 inch large blades. The next step up in length is the machete (12-14-18-20") that is however a thinner blade usually. So it might be around the same weight too. Maybe that is a reasonable upper limit?
Also, the different chopping techniques used for flat vs. sabre ground blades make sense and meet my limited experience.
I like deep index finger grooves for control and curious to see the pros and cons of this new subhilt construction under extensive field use.
A very nicely made blade combo.

HM

 
Thanks guys...

I will give the blade a good workout on the upcoming trip. If the subhilt is a problem, I'll know about it. We will show the chopping style in the video so folks will see the different grip you can use with the subhilt... still it will take time to formulate a real opinion. At this point I've written about my initial impressions.

I think I'll hang onto those Busses. They are some of the first INFI blades and the ones I wrote about so long ago. That gives them some value as collectors pieces. They were also mostly ground by Jerry as they come from the old days when he was a very hands on blademaker and not the big shop he is today.

Although new steels are coming along that will rival or beat INFI, in my opinion it is still the best steel out there. I just don't need that level of performance as the process of sharpening a blade is a chance to rest from work.
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If I remember correctly, INFI has only been around about 2 years or have I completely lost it? This is getting like the computer business... "What, you've had your machine 8 months already? Don't you think its time to upgrade?"
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Hi Matt.

The article was published in March of 98'

http://www.survival.com/mistress.htm

and I had the prototypes several months before that. In fact Jerry sent one of his friends on one of my trips with what I was told was the "first BM in INFI". That trip took place almost 9 months earlier as I remember (memory: I forgot where I put it).

The stuff has been around... but not for sale for about 4 years now. It hit the blade world pretty hard about two years ago.

Ron

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Ron -- Does the exposed tang hurt at all while chopping?

Also, I noticed Trace offers this blade in 154CM and BG-42 in addition to A2. Which would you prefer? Is there another steel you would prefer this blade in?

Thanks!

Clay

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Hi Clay,

No, the exposed tang does not hurt. But that is not necessarily going to mean that it won't hurt you. As I always try to tell folks, knife handles are very individual in character. The size of your hand, the muscles in it, the amount of shock you give it, your technique and a thousand other issues come into the equation related to handle comfort.

The same is true for steel. There are a lot of great steels out there and much of the performance of any steel is based on the quality (or lack of it) of the heat treatment. Under normal conditions I doubt most folks would really notice a difference in steels if they were not told what a specific steel is beforehand. I hold A2 in high regard. Some steels are more difficult to heat treat properly and consequently there is more variation from blade to blade. A2 is a fairly predictable steel and is easy to recommend for that reason.

And I like it
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My opinions only...

Ron

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I missed this thread completely:-) Ron has done a fine job flagging questions.. The handle has been a work in progress for some time now. He describes how it works very well. The integral sub-hilt gives control without death gripping the handle IMO, and in my experience it doesnt raise any hot spots. Some people may have different results but thats always to be expected with any design. Anyway thanks Ron, hope the set serves ya well..

Take Care
Trace Rinaldi
www.thrblades.com

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