Traditional knife making VS new technology pt 3

If you ask me there are 4 categories of knife making. Traditional, Handmade, Custom Made, and Production.
Traditional would be the old fashioned no power tools everyithng done with good old elbow grease way of making them.
Handmade is when you use tools like a bandsaw, grinder, drill press, milling machine(not CNC)high tech heattreat ovens and the likes, but it is still all done by hand. You have to guide the tools, and lay things out on your own.
Custom made is where the laser cutting and CNC fall into place. Its custom designed, and put together by a maker, but the more time consuming parts and some of the areas where there is more chance of error like cutouts and drilling holes are done by machine.
And you know what I mean by production. Things are mass produced and mostly done by machines.
I think each method is as good as the next and has its place to be used. If it weren't for production knives a whole lot of people wouldn't be carrying a knife right now. And what I call the custom category allows you to get a knife made to your design or a makers design that is of higher quality than a production knife,with alot of precision put into it but still not overly pricy. Handmade gives the makers a chance to show off their skill at making knives and using tools, and allows customers to get something completely one of a kind. Its also alot of fun for us amatures. And traditional is another style or way for a maker to make something completely unique. And makes the knife mean more to some people because they appreciate the extra time and work put into the knife. I don't see a problem with people selling knives that were made with any of the 4 methods as long as their up front about it which I'm sure everyone here is.
Personaly I like making knives in the handmade category because I enjoy spending the time to make each peice making each new knife different.But I don't like to do everything completely by hand because that ends up to be very frustrating sometimes.

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When you hold any quality item in your hand, be it a knife, a pen, or a piece of art (not that knives can't be art...) what you focus on is the quality, the fit & finish, and the esthetics. I personally don't care what tools the artist used.

Now in the case of primitive knives you might be buying the hand built aspect, like an obsidian blade hand knapped with a stone.

But in the case of a hi-tech folder or other modern knife, modern manufacturing technique can only improve the final product. You can make parts to finer tolerances than you can by hand. And (for most people) you can more faithfully reproduce what you designed on paper or computer.

So CNC away, fire up the laser, and blast away with the water jets. And if you want to produce a 'semi-production' Ken Onion line, I'm sure you'll be kept busy keeping up with demand. Just look what's hapening with William Henry, the Sebenza, Speedtech...



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E. Larson
Edmonds, WA


 
Ken,
I think both methods are vey exceptable by most.Some people just cant adjust to new technologies knocking on there door....I see nothing wrong with that.For each his own.In a custom,I like the idea that no two are alike.That keeps me happy thinking that my knife is one of a kind.I`ll pay the high price for that.In production made knives you get the best of both worlds.1:"SOME" are as good as customs.2:They are a lot less for the man bringing home $400 a week.I cant aford to buy a half dozen customs a year.I can indeed get my FIX by buying a production knife every month,and maybe 2 or 3 customs a year.
I for one can say I love KNIVES....no matter how they are made.
Take care,


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Jay
Life is like a box of chocolates,never know what your gona git!
 
Does it matter if a maker who is an "artisan", however you define that, uses CNC equipment or laser cutting to do the more tedious tasks, allowing him to focus his crative energies on the part of his product that really contains the "art"?

Please note what GAknife said about laser cutting. It is applied to large sheets of steel. My understanding is that there would be quit a bit of work to get ones design ready for someone to do the laser cutting. Would someone making a custom (one-off) design bother with all that preparation? Probably not. Can any of you full or part time makers comment on this aspect?

Is a maker using a CNC machine in the making a one-off custom piece any different from a maker who, say uses a jig to hold a guard on straight as he does his brazing? It seems that some people think that going from a design to a CNC machine (or laser cutting...) involves no extra work. It also seems that some people think that programming such equiment is no sweat. The guys that I work with seem to pour their creative energy into getting the programming for the CNC machinery "right", just like you would expect a knife maker would pour his creative energy into making the best product that he can.

In the end, as others have said, it is the heart and soul that a maker puts into his product, not the tools that he uses that make his product special.
 
Just to make this interesting, I'll throw out modern age artists like Matthew Lerch, or Pierre Reverdy (April Knives Illus.). These guys are using technology in creative, beautiful ways. Not using the machines to do repetitive tasks, but rather taking advantage of the machines' special capabilities to work in new artistic paradigms.

The damascus that these gents are producing is absolutely amazing. Reverdy's poetic damascus is just stunning.

I think, though, that the romance dies a little if the technique becomes casual, and I've heard Lerch talk about his beautiful damascus like it's push a couple of buttons, go get some dinner, come back and it's done. I'm sorry, but that turned me off. I looked at the steel in an entirely new way after hearing him describe it in cold, technical fashion.

I went to another table and bought a Charles West (PLUG - See Charles at the Badger Show. Really. Go see him.) tactical folder. Opens and closes with hair thin tolerances. I didn't ask if he laser cut the blade, or turned the screws himself, I didn't care. He was a nice old guy, and he seemed like he really loved making it.

It's got a bead blasted blade, too!
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Thanks for the insights guys > I have tried to respond four times to this topic and this #$@%$#@ AOL keeps kicking me off so I'm gonna keep it short and try again tomorrow .


Aloha!!! Ken Onion
 
It appears to me that most don't know which maker are using laser cutting. The most popular names right now, mostly are. I won't state there names, because it is not my place to do so. I have not yet finished a knife from a laser profiled blade. I do however have a couple of samples. The samples are very well cut, and it appears that less heat was generated 1/32" away from the cut then what I could do with a grinder. It appears to me, that this may actually produce a better blade, because less carbon is lossed, and becuase of a lesser amount of grain growth. It also seems that people are under the impression that profiling is very time consuming. It is only time consuming on many knives. Not so much on one. I can completely profile the outside shape of a knife in probably less than 5 minutes. Drilling the holes takes me probably twice that long. I however spend many many hours working on each blade from there. So having blades laser cut would save me probably 1% of laber each month. When you make knives for a living, profiling the same blade over and over and over can be come borring. However grinding and filing bevels, is almost always a challenge (just look at how many bevels are ground incorrectly on knives). I don't use laser cutting yet. I however will use it, in the future. The only reason that I would not use it, would be because of the expense to me.

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Lynn Griffith-Knifemaker

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So having the blanks lazer cut makes a knife better, cheaper and reduces wait time...sounds good to me. Why worry about it? You will never know the difference. What matters is the overall design, quality of materials used, fit and finish. Agree 100% with Jerry Hossom, I have seen lazer cut parts and they are a long, long way from being finished.
 
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