Traditional lock knives with 4" FFG blades?

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I'm in the mood for a traditional style folder; around 4" blade.

I've got a Buck 110 clone, but there's quite a bit of play at the pivot point, and a few other things (sheath/pouch especially) I'm not happy with. I thought about getting a genuine 110, but then I saw this (well I saw stockman242's similar one):

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which I also quite like the look of, especially the full flat ground blade.

Are there any other models out there that you think would fit the bill?
 
If you're looking for a 4" blade, then "folding hunters" (like the one in your image) are going to be the only game in town for the most part. (The largest sodbusters will come somewhat close.)

Folding hunters are available from a variety of manufacturers past and present.

You can also look at the Mountain Man from Queen (in locking and non locking versions) which is about 4.5" closed (so the blade will be a bit short of 4".)
 
I don't know about the current Schrade offering, but I have the same model from the mid 70's and it is a very solid, big knife...

As Elliott mentioned, there are others to choose from as well. Re: the 110 clone, don't compare the imported knockoffs to the real thing. The 110 is a very solid, reasonably priced knife, although even with big hands I still refer the 112. It fits like a glove.. ymmv
 
Thanks for the tips; I've got myself a (genuine) 110 for now, but I'm sure I'll end up with some of those others in future :D
 
Well all I can say about the Buck 110 is, if you think we are nuts over our slippies on this thread you ought to hear those 110 people over on the Buck thread. They are institution material.......300Bucks
 
Great Eastern No.23 is a large liner lock at over 4", the blade will be less of course,but it's a behemoth of a knife.

I believe Schatt&Morgan are offering some 5" lock blades from time to time including the latest series XVIX but they cost a fair bit being in ATS.
 
Wouldn't that exclude the Buck 110?

Yeah, the idea was to find a full flat ground alternative but then someone offered me a 110 for a good price so I took it. I'm still looking at some full flat ground options too though; I think I'm heading for a more traditional phase :)
 
The Queen Mountain Man is a FFG blade. It comes in carbon steel (1095) or tool steel (D-2). It comes with bone or wood handles. It is a hefty knife but not nearly as heavy as a Buck 110. It carries better in the pocket than the Buck due to its lighter frame.

Here is mine in D-2 and bone compared open and closed to a Buck 110.

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Mine took a LONG time with a diamond Lansky sharpening jig to get a working edge on it. The D-2 is a hard steel and all of the Queen's I have owned came with less than optimal, unevenly ground factory edges. The 110 will sharpen up easily, hold its edge for a reasonable amount of time, will bend before it chips and is extremely easy to field sharpen with a pocket hone (I used a Gerber diamond rod) and can be reprofiled easily in the field to repair a damaged edge.

I've had 3 Mountan Man lockbacks and 2 of them exhibited blade play. The lock is a lockback but looking inside the knife the lock bar is different than the locking bar on a 110. There is less tension on the blade when opening it than there is to a 110. In all, the 110 seems to be a much sturdier folder with a much more solid feel to the lock. I've owned several 110's and handled several more and fit and finish on every one was superb. I've handled older ones that were subjected to hard use for several years and only one exhibited blade play after several years but never lock failure (my brother's which he drilled the butt end to accomodate a bail for a lanyard.) You will most definately want to carry the Buck in a belt sheath (both the new style leather ones and the cordura ones are not optimal in my opinion, you might want to find an older leather sheath with the integral belt slit rather than the loop on the back of the new ones. It tends to slide on the belt and catch on things.) You can carry the Mountain Man in a pocket. That said, I love my Mountan Man and my 110.

If you don't need a lock, many Sodbusters come close to the size of the 110 and the MM. My Case stainless Sodbuster is FFG and the spring tension is tight on mine and it has black composite (delrin I think) handles. It is much lighter and slightly smaller than the 110 and the MM and the steel on mine doesn't take an edge as well as the Buck (Case Tru-Sharp stainless, 420HC I think, someone correct me if I am wrong.) This might be due to the heat treat on the Case, Buck's heat treat is SUPERB. I don't have pix of my sodbuster (it is in Massachusetts) for a comparison with the 110 and MM.

The 1095 and the D2 in the Queen will hold an edge much longer than the 420 HC stainless used in the blade of the 110. The 1095 will definately form a patina with use and the D-2 may as well, or at least exhibit some corrosion spotting (some say it pits, I haven't used mine yet, so I can't comment on that.) In my pix above the mirror polish and fingerprints in the oil on the Queen's blade (D-2) make the blade seem dark but in reality it is mirror polished. The 110 was used heavily on a commercial fishing boat when I worked as a lobsterman. It is in the same state as it was last time I used it on the boat, a fine testament to its ability to withstand hard use in a tough environment for a knife.

I will probably pick up a wood handled Mountain Man in the future but I want to use the Queen on the tug for a while to see how well a bone handle works in a hard use environment.

One more thing, the Queen will cost about twice as much as the Buck 110 and may be hit or miss on fit and finish. I don't think that you can go wrong with either knife though.

ETA: The Okapi 907e is a FFG locking folder in an unconventional, traditional, time proven design. Here is a review I did on one:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583060&highlight=okapi

The large folder above it in the comparison pix is a Cold Steel Twistmaster, a modern take on another traditional FFG locking folder, the Opinel. It is discontinued and mine has a Carbon V blade (I think 1095) but it can be found on the secondary market from time to time. The lock on the Opinel is a twist ring. I don't own an Opinel but others on BFC speak highly of them. Cold Steel also makes a modern Okapi in stainless and FRN called the Kudu. Original Opinels are offered with carbon and stainless steel blades. I think the original Okapis are as well. Both the Okapi and the Opinel are very inexpensive knives.

Hope this helps,

Pete
 
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