Traditional (non-full tang), Sayoc-style tomahawk?

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scouter27

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Has anyone seen one? I'm a fan of the style, but not the construction. I've spent too much of my life carrying everything I own all at once to want that much steel dragging behind me. I'd like

http://www.winklerknives.com/knives.asp?id=201

I'd really like one with and one without the front spike, but right now, no spike would be preferable.

I've never seen one, but I'd be a little surprised if no one had thought of it before now.

Thanks everyone
 
Pretty sure, Edwood7 made one like your talking about, but I've never seen another Sayoc that wasn't full-tang.
 
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Well, if you consider making the original one from the Kalinga Igorot version, it does look like a non full tang.
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Those head hunter axes are just brutal looking.
 
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I think the amazing thing about the Winkler-Sayoc is the location of the weight. The top grip position and the head is 3/8" thick, and that's where the mass is. The thing only weights 24oz, but most of that weight is in the sweet spot. My Ranger Renegade is much heavier, and my other full tang hawks are clumsy compared to the Winkler.
If you were to have that head on a wooden haft, are you thinking of an eye, or one like Edwood's? Do you just want the look, profile, of the Sayoc hawk? Lots of traditional hawks could be modified, take a few grinds out of the toe area, to make a front spike, and narrow down the rear spike. Yes, it would be lots of hard grinding on a tempered hawk head.
 
... but I don't want a front spike...

This thread now reminds me of most any scout rifle thread on a firearms forum. Mention it, and people start ranting about the forward mounted scope, but that's just one aspect, and not even the most important part of the rifle.


It's the other aspects of it that I like. The overall profile of the head (the link I posted shows this) and the beard, namely. I'd also prefer a hammer poll. I'm not interested in full tang hawk. I'm REALLY not interested in a full tang hawk of any kind. I think Mr. Winkler's hawks are amazing, well made expertly engineered and worth the price, but they're not for me. That's not to say if I had the money to burn I wouldn't get one or five :o
 
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So, how do you want this hawk head to be attached to the haft, an eye? If so, that will change the profile, that short rear spike will have to get thick real fast. And the thinner head will have to be made much thicker around the eye. Here's a shot from the top, this "thin" head has way less drag than a hawk with an eye.
I'm not trying to change your mind, just trying to figure out how you plan on keeping the same profile, while making it with a different handle. Even Edwood's version will have more drag, if you will. I'm just saying..

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Scott Rousch did a very cool hawk a while back. It's a full tapered tang, but it's completly surrounded with a wood handle. Is that of interest, or do you want to be able to remove the head? Trying to understand what you are wanting?
 
foxx said:
Trying to understand what you are wanting?
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Convex curve from the toe to the poll, smaller radius convex curve from toe to heel, longish beard with concave curve to the eye and a fairly narrow hammer poll (not a spike), but only if the hammer doesn't become unworkable due to the curve, which it may.

The width isn't really an issue, as long as it's not extreme.

I did see Scott's thread, I even talked to him about it. In the end, it was just too massive for my taste.
 
Do you have an ideal weight in mind? I'm guessing under 24oz, that's what the full size Winkler Sayoc weights, that shorter one may have a weight of 22oz, IDK.

You should draw out a profile and see if any of the makers here would do it for you. You could request a specific weight, have them keep the area around the eye as thin as possible. Are you wanting a traditional style hawk, a wooden haft trough an eye? You have not exactly said that is what you want.

Are you against a bolt on head? Or the Edwood's method, or others?
 
I don't have any real intentions, just curiosity at this point. I wanted to see if it had been done, and if not, I plan to look into getting it made, or making one myself in the next year or so once things have settled down around here. Finished my BS in psychology TODAY, er, well yesterday now. Back to reality and getting a real job. :(
 
Seems practical to me. The shape of a human head doesn't lend itself well to picking up with one hand without getting your fingers dirty. I hate cleaning blood and boogers out from under my nails. Especially at the same time :D
 
JayGoliath said:
Probably too much to post it here but the back spike was used to "gather" the rolling head.
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So, it's a head hunting and gathering tool.:rolleyes: We were shooting up a raw turkey a few weeks ago, it got shredded pretty good.. I used the spike from the GG&G Battlehawk to pick it up. Yeah, I admit it felt right, better than picking it up with my hands.
 
foxx said:
So, it's a head hunting and gathering tool.:rolleyes: We were shooting up a raw turkey a few weeks ago, it got shredded pretty good.. I used the spike from the GG&G Battlehawk to pick it up. Yeah, I admit it felt right, better than picking it up with my hands.
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Foxx,

You couldn't be using buck shot right? it must be a big turkey we talking here.
 
I pulled it out of my Mother's freezer, it was around 17lbs or more, and very old. We were using 9mm, .45 acp, .357 magnum, .308, and a 12 guage with 00 buck shot. The .308 did the most impressive carnage, one wing went flying off about 20ft. It was fun, and I got to test out the Hornady Critical Defense rounds for the pistols, I really like the .357 magnum.
 
scouter27 said:
You didn't attack it with a 'hawk?

I am disappoint.
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Oh, that happened the week prior to that. Just after I got my Winkler Sayoc, I thawed out the expired turkey breast, hung it from a rope, and tested the drag, or lack of. A swing from the elbow sliced through the ribcage, with no effort, very little drag. Then I punched numerous gaping holes in it as well. I didn't feel the need to take pics, and make a whole thread about it, I just wanted to feel how well it could slice.

I still used the spike of the GG&G to stab the ballistic turkey remains, so I could pick it up and throw it in a garbage bag. Sometime soon I'd like to get me a pig's head, but maybe not, it sounds messed up just typing it.
 
If you were to have the hawk made it would still need to have a short tang to attach it to the handle...similar to the newer SOG hawks like the fasthawk. there is the head then there is a short 3-4" shaft where a metal ring is used to lock the head in place on the split handle. It also protects the handle in the join area from over strikes. Hell, ask Winkler if he can make you one.
 
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