Traditionals in the Trades?

Maybe not a trade? so to speak,but professional deer culling here in New Zealand spanned 50 odd years...They all carried one of these for skinning chores.......FES

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F. Dick's multi-cut steels are the bomb. They sure aren't cheap, which drives a lot of folks away--especially since so many have a phobia of steels for some reason--but man are they worth their weight in gold!
 
If our friends and relatives were to take a gander at the knives in our pockets, let alone our collections, they would see a lot of "once in a lifetime" knives. I mean that these knives are considered hand me downs, which would sit on the mantel piece or in a china cabinet, because they are too nice to carry. I've had friends and relatives ask why I would carry such nice knives, in regards to knives from Case, GEC, Queen etc that I haven't given a second thought to carrying and using. Utility knives and multitools are tools, and are treated as such. I believe that knives like we carry and collect may just be considered too nice by many to actually use everyday.

I would have to agree 100% on that. My Grandfather just shakes his head at me for carrying what I do and paying what I do for the knives I carry. I use my knives, not as hard as my Grandpa (prying, batoning with rocks and hammers...), but they do not get any special treatment. He has had his Vic Cadet for years now and he replaces his knives every few years because of what he puts 'em through. I completely understand his stance; why would he spend over $25 if he is going to need a new knife in 5 years?

He always tells me that a knife is supposed to be used for whatever you need, and I would agree, but then I remember that this is coming from the guy that is cutting up his breakfast with the knife that was used yesterday to scoop out disgusting sludge from pipes when we were doing plumbing the day before...and he didn't wash it. He gave me that speech when I refused to baton through a dowel with my SBJ with a rock when I had a perfectly good saw in my pocket from doing yard work that day.

Basically, my point is that I agree that others may see what we carry as too nice when for the average person, especially the working man.
 
What traditional patterns do you use (or see being used) when working in the trades, on the farm, in the shop, in the military?

I think it's a foregone conclusion that the single blade tactical folder and the modern multi-tool are hear to stay. So, the question really is, do traditionals still have a place? And if they do, for what? And why?

They do have a place, but I think less and less folks see them as having one. Outside of the group here and a couple of other forums, I don't know of anyone that really loves traditional knives. They don't understand the sheer daily utility value of them and when they want a knife, they only think of it as a tool to cut the one thing at hand they are concerned with. For those of us that grew up with one in their pocket, it is hard to imagine a day without a slipjoint in the pocket. Before box cutters/razor knives were common place, with the exception of cutting sheetrock, most hand cutting operations were done with a folding traditional. For decades the venerable 110 was the undisputed king of the hill among the younger set. All of us older guys carried large slipjoints like a stockman pattern, and many carried the 301. The convenience of having a small slipjoint on the job is immeasurable to me.

Here are some of the patterns I would expect to be mentioned. If you carry one of these in the workplace or you see it carried in your workplace, could you describe how they get used and why they get used instead of a tactical or a multi-tool?

I don't see the old folding traditionals much anymore. People have other, more convenient choices. I see a lot of the folding, lockback razor knives. This is an answer to a prayer for a lot of guys. I mean a lot. It is cheap (sometimes 2 for $12 at HD around Christmas) and will take a heck of a beating. With that super thin blade they make wicked slicers, and most important on that issue is that the guys never sharpen or have to learn how. I carry a large "tactical style" knife a lot and it gets the dirty jobs I won't risk my traditional on.

As far as multitools, I don't see them much on the job, just an occasional small model. The trade people that use tools tend to carry the correct tool for the job; a multitool is seen as an emergency of quick convenience tool, not an all day work tool.

Would also be interesting to hear your thoughts on how common you think your use of a traditional is in your field or line of work.

Sadly, not very. To me, a lot of folks are missing out on not only the utility value, but the pleasure of using a nice tool.

Lastly, I would love to hear how much you typically pay for a working knife and how much you think your peers are willing to pay.

I really want to emphasize, that we're talking about actual I use this for work type of feedback. Not I think these look cool type of feedback.

This is another mark on the downside of the traditional. A domestic working knife costs much more than a blue collar guy will want to spend. I don't see any of my peers spending more than about $25 for a simple working knife which is why among the traditional carrying guys, the CASE soddie (available at some of my vendors and at Lowe's) and the Buck 110 are sill popular.

The other guys that carry knives carry something like the Buck Ecolite and its million imitators, near imitators, and similar models. They are domestic and foreign, mostly price driven in the decision to purchase. They hold up well under fierce beatings (rarely used as an actual knife....) and they are cheap to replace if broken, stolen or misplaced.

Robert
 
Pinnah,
thanks for this thread. I really enjoyed reading it...great topic, and great discussion.
As for me...well, I never worked in the trades, and my job has nothing to do with farms, or stuff like that.
And I understand that performing any of those activities in my spare time is pretty different from doing it for a living...and that affects the tools (and knives) used.
I guess that, if my job required frequent uses of a knife, I would probably carry a small fixed blade. But again it's just speculation. Meanwhile, I will go on reading this thread, and enjoying it :)

Fausto
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I have carried a Case Trapper every day since i got my first one in 1998 as an apprentice plumber. My Master carried one and i quickly learned how valuable a large trapper knife is. I also use a gerber multi tool for other things, but the trapper is what i use for cutting, scraping, grinding on bathtubs, cutting out shingles...you name it. I have literally done just about anything you can do to that knife. i have only carried two (now three). The first one I retired in 2005. The second one I lost just last week. Now I have a yeller handle one in CV.

The max I'd pay for a work knife is about $65. My other knives don't see that kind of use. Here's a pic of the one I just lost.....loved that knife!!!

ETA: I've been teaching the local Plumbing Apprenticeship school since 2005 and whenever a student passes their Journeyman test they get a Case slip joint (valued to Maximum of $100) as a reward. They love them and most (not all) use them!

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I'm an old guy (69-yrs old) and most of my life has involved traditional type knies. Before I joined the U.S. Navy in 1965 I carried a jack knife or a barlow. The day I graduated from Boot Camp at Naval Training Center Great Lakes, IL I went to the Navy Exchange and bought this Case Folding Hunter knife. I carried it almost everyday until the day I retired from the Navy in July 1989. Oh, let's not forget the ole TL-29. I always had one of those in my tool box or tool bag.

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Sometime in the 1970s (early 70s I think) I bought this Buck 112 in the Ship's Store on a ship I was serving on. I drilled a hole through the rear bolsters in order to put a string through it. I mostly only carried it when working over the side or up on the Mast working on an antenna, etc.. I also liked to carry it when on shore duty in the Philippines, Thailand, and other Southeast Asian tropical climates.

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I only bought a true one-hand opener (Spyderco) in about 1985/1986 while still on active duty in the Navy but never carried one while on duty. After I retired from the Navy, I worked in a ship yard and then went to work for the local power company in San Diego, CA. While working those jobs I carried a one-hander sometimes and at the same time in another pocket a traditional jack knife.

Some have said that the box cutter has no soul. I suppose so but this one is pretty snazzy. I picked up a three of them on a whim while in the tool department at Sears Store one day.

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I live in a very very rural community and have helped out at times on various ranches and farms that let me hunt on their property - the least I can do for the priviledge to hunt for free on their property. I use mostly a Stockman or Trapper for the tasks I help these people with - ear-notching, etc. with cattle and other odds and ends. I also now carry a Spyderco Spur C-32 one-hander every day. It is a handy knife (combo blade) and makes a good skinning knife; something most wouldn't think a one-hander was useful for.

Sometimes I carry a Leatherman but not much anymore and although I have some SAKs I don't carry them anymore.
 
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Some have said that the box cutter has no soul. I suppose so but this one is pretty snazzy. I picked up a three of them on a whim while in the tool department at Sears Store one day.

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Of course some day many years from now, some old guy is going to hand his son a well used box cutter and tell him of all the times he used it, and it will become a hand-me-down heir loom. :D

The new centurions will have different values from us old guard folks.

Carl.
 
Carl, that's what I was hinting at with the "jack leg" links. Barlows, Opinels, other peasant's knives, early German butcher's knives.... The box cutters of their day?
 
I think you're right Carl. It's evident by reading this forum that we have members that are perfectly content and dang proud to carry a hand-me-down or a knife they picked up for a few dollars and then we have members that'll drop up to a couple/three C-notes or more on a knife and think nothing of it. It pleases me to see all of them.

I gotta admit that a box cutter can come in handy sometimes. Use it equipped with a blade like the one pictued and it'll cut dang near everything. Take a few seconds to put a roofing (shingle) blade in it and you're good to go to skin a deer, rabbit, or whatever.
 
Carl, that's what I was hinting at with the "jack leg" links. Barlows, Opinels, other peasant's knives, early German butcher's knives.... The box cutters of their day?

Yeah, they may be the box cutters of the day. As knife knuts, we forget that most of the rest of the world gets their cutting done by some pretty mundane cutting tools. The working man, the peasant of any age, won't spend a lot of money on a knife. All they want to do is cut something. The peasant in China, eastern Europe, the American west, the big city dock worker or warehouse worker, all will use a cheap but serviceable knife. The humble sodbuster, the Opinel and Douk-Douk, the Barlow, friction folder sheppards knife, were the superknife of the day. They were expected to be just used up and replaced with no sentiment attached to them. To the peasant, it's just a cheap tool. Only us mutants, the obsessed knife knut, will put value on a knife beyond what it is designed to do.

Carl.
 
Of course some day many years from now, some old guy is going to hand his son a well used box cutter and tell him of all the times he used it, and it will become a hand-me-down heir loom. :D
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Carl.

lol i thought this same thing earlier today. lol
and im telling yall, someone needs to develop a couple lines of fancy box cutters in various 'tactical' and 'classic' styles. theres a whole market there waiting to be tapped. lol
 
Upland game shooting isnt a (trade) but it certainly has its own dynamics....CASE HUNTER did the cleaning duties.......FES

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We need more pictures in this thread. My Case med Stockman. Stays in the pocket most of the time, but there are still situations at work when i need a super sharp versitaile knife.

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I'm in the plumbers and steamfitters union. To be honest, I haven't seen anyone use traditionals in the field. Mainly Husky folding utility knives, a couple of Leathermans, and a few knock- off Spydercos. I was the same way. As much I like traditional knives, when at work, I carried a Delica. For me, at work, it's all about making my job easier and more efficient, and I found that that's exactly what a one hander did.
 
Come to think of it, collecting seems to be a 20th/21st century kind of hobby. Everything that's been said about our knife collections can be applied to a whole lot of other things that we may collect. A watch was for telling time, a guy had one. A Zippo lighter was for smoking or campfires, a guy had one. I imagine the same can be said about a lot of objects like our knives.
 
We need more pictures in this thread.

Here you go Art:
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The Opi # 8 on the left was my first Opinel, it served me well for years until I loaned to a fella that hit a live wire with it took a chunk out of the blade and he thought he would do me the favor of grinding the blade to remove the missing chunk. The #9 on the right replaced the #8, I like the size if the #9 better.
The Boker 7474 stockman is more or less my backup, when someone ask to borrow a knife they get the Opi and I use the Boker so I don't have to be delayed, also the sheepsfoot comes in handy.
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Thanks Deadfall! I really hope i find it. I have never lost one for this long before and that one in particular was one of my favorites. It was about to be retired and i think it knew it. :o
 
Here you go Art:

Thanks Stich. I always like when you post pictures. Man that left Opinel has seen some use. I cannot for the life of me carry an Opi. But I guess that is for jackknifes french connection thread. That Böker is very very nice as well. I`m in the marked for a Solingen knife. Looking at the Puma Jadgmesser 1 right now. It reminds me of the knife my grandfather used to carry. Lockback with stag handles. Good old german engineering and tradition. He used that knife for everything. I wonder what happened to it. My father who was a goldsmith (?) had a Buck 110 in his shop, but he never carried a pocket knife. I remember the 110 very well, as a kid I was never able to open it. It was all gunked up and had really stiff spring.

Maybe I`ll get the 110 as a work knife, carry it in the leather sheath. But like I said, it`s hard to beat the Emerson CQC-7 for me.
For example I was cleaning a diesel seperator yesterday. The O-rings sat really in there, and with one hand I pulled out my 7, due to the wave it already opened, and pried the ring out there. Both hands covered in diesel, and so was the knife, but its really easy to clean, durable and versitaile with a very strong tip. I don`t thing my stockman would have been ideal for the job. It`s hard to get rid of that diesel smell. But I`m way off topic here. Love this thread btw.
 
I've really tried to use my traditional knives at work with limited success. I'm a jet engine mechanic working in a test run facility which leaves my hands in a perpetual state of grunge. Subjecting my beautiful bone and stag handled knives to jet fuel, oil, and various other solvents doesn't work for me. I've used my GEC Bullnose quite a bit and I love it, but I frequently find myself needing a small blade, or a screwdriver (while I'm up on a ladder), or a scraper/poker/jabbermajig. My solution is the ALOX SAK! It just makes sense for me, and believe it or not the saw gets used when I'm rebuilding test equipment.

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