Tribal Conference, or, Whutza Zulu??

waynorth

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This has been discussed a bit in the dim past, but while I'm waiting for my Tribal/Zulu to arrive, I thought I'd share my experience thus far with this interesting blade.

The roots of its latest existence come from two sources.
1) Tony Bose has made what he used to call a "modified wharcliffe" for many years. He raised the point of the Wharncliffe blade a bit to give it a little belly, while keeping a more acute point.
2) ca. 1936, Schrade Cut Co. had a similar idea, for their Balloon jack pattern, and came up with a marketing name for the blade; a Zulu Spear!
I don't know how people liked the name back then, but like most people, I like the "ring" it has to it.
Picture 1 shows 2 modern iterations from the Wizards of Wilfred.
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Pictures 2 and 3 show these knives with an original Schrade Zulu, a somewhat earlier Ulster/Schrade regular spear blade, and Sheffield and Schatt & Morgan spears for comparison.
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Picture 4 shows a closeup of the Bose and Schrade Zulus, with the regular Schrade for comparison.
You can see Tony studies those old knives closely!!:thumbup:
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In pictures 5 and 6, I inserted some various Wharncliffe blades so you can see the source of the design. I think if you use your imagination, you can see how raising the point slightly from the cutting edge would result in the Zulu shape. There are other subtleties too but I leave those to your observations.
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(I see my WT wharncliffe is thinner than it used to be. It's been my edc for a while now. Doesn't need much honing, but it gets used!)

Hope you students of this knifery/jiggery like looking at this stuff as much as I do!
Please comment, and please post pics of your Case Collaboration Tribals (maybe with the blades pointing up?) so we can compare then in the mix also.
All opinions thoughtfully considered are welcome!;)
 
Great stuff. Just look how much better cut and ground is Tony's blade. A huge step above, atmo*.





atmo: according to my opinion.
 
Great stuff. Just look how much better cut and ground is Tony's blade. A huge step above, atmo*.

atmo: according to my opinion.

An unintended result of comparing these blades!
Tony knows grinding!:cool:
 
Some great knives, Charlie. Thanks for the exposition.

By and large I normally prefer the wharncliffe as a secondary blade...the Zulu or modified wharncliffe, however, is an outstanding blade profile whether on its own as a single blade knife or in combination with others in a muliti-blade.
 
I inserted some various Wharncliffe blades so you can see the source of the design. I think if you use your imagination, you can see how raising the point slightly from the cutting edge would result in the Zulu shape. There are other subtleties too but I leave those to your observations.

Here's another version of a modified wharncliffe.

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- Christian
 
Good post, thanks. I've also been looking at the Ohta posted above. Just need to find one with a good price...
 
Nice thread Charlie,"Simple Effective Useful" ,come to mind :thumbup: ,about this blade

I love it.
-Vince
 
You would know Vince!
Subtle variation, Christian.
Could be Steve!!?? Tough to tell without CE-ing and CF-ing it.
 
Quote: "I see my WT wharncliffe is thinner than it used to be"
Charlie are you refering to knife on right, D2 visible on tang ?
Who is "WT" ?
roland
 
Charlie...I have to admit...every time you post a thread..the mouth waters!!
Could I ask...( not to draw ANY attention away from the other stunning blades )...the Sheffield, second on the right...do you know the Maker? if so-the year?, also the Schatt & Morgan...just how old is that?
The jigging on it ( Sheffield ) has this been hand jigged?..to be honest...all the above knives are such a pleasure to look at-they really are.
One more question, I hope this os ok to ask here..
The original wharncliffe shape...is it the shape that is used in picture 1, or on the knives ( for example the case and the ohta ).
Man...that ohta knife is a stunner!!
 
Nice thread Charlie,"Simple Effective Useful" ,come to mind :thumbup: ,about this blade

I love it.
-Vince

You would know Vince!
Subtle variation, Christian.
Could be Steve!!?? Tough to tell without CE-ing and CF-ing it.

Charlie,the three words ,in quotes , to sum up the blade is from the Case Ad,in Knife World,for the Case T Bose collab knife.
It is Tony's words & it is accurate,sharp & to the point :thumbup:

-Vince :)
 
Sorry for the "Bose-ese shorthand" Roland. WT stands for Wharncliffe Trapper, one of Tony's favorite patterns - for good reason. Nearly all you need in a daily pocket knife!
5th pic, 2nd from right. Here's a full shot.
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Alfred Williams, Duncan - ca. WWI probably. The punch is like an NYK from that era (curved forging w. laminated tang) - I wonder who copied who??
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Lots of discussion on how the jigging was done. I've been told that type of jigging is not completely hand done, but machine-assisted somehow?? Pins are peened.
The Schatt & Morgan is a 2001 production. Hard to resist Barlows with nicely stamped Bolsters.
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Duncan, I don't know what the original Wharncliffe whittler knife looked like. It may have had a lot of the characteristics of the Case, but I'd search Bernie's Forum, because I know it's been discussed there before.
Vince, "out of the mouths of Old Dogs. . . . . . . .":D:D
 
I've seen a fair amount of wharncliffes and spear points, but not a true "Zulu" in person. Guess there's hope with the Case/Bose knife this year.

I did look through my collection for a spear blade that wasn't a large leaf blade like on a couple of jacks I have and this was about all I could find.

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It has become my favorite blade profile - useful for just about everything.

This one has become my favorite EDC:

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Here is Mike Zscherny's interpretation, using a backpocket frame:

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Nice one Bill :thumbup:
-Vince
 
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