Trident of Shiva?

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I was reading in an old knife book of mine a little artical on khukris and the auther said that he was told that the cho reppresented the trident of shiva. He gave a couple of pics showing the trident in shiva hand as well as statues, I admit the shape of the cho does look like the shape of the trident. Anyone else heard this? Also I was noticing on the pixs of the old khuks that the end of the blade next to the cho on most of them sweeps out and looks quite sharp, any known reason for that?
 
Ice, that is one of several opinions on the meaning of the cho. If you take another look you will immediately see why some kamis call the cho a "kowdi" (cowtrack) and claim this is what it actually represents because the cow is sacred to the Hindu.

Pala maintains the cho is "surya ra chandra" and is not the only one who sticks to this representation.

I maintain nobody knows for sure. The original meaning has been lost. Thus, the reason for several different interpretations.

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Uncle Bill
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I don`t know that the meaning will ever be dicsovered.Does it matter?The orient and it`s myths and religion peremeate the khukri.I did a little reasearch,and found that David H`s Jews traveled the great china road,and thus were in the area as merchants, that we talk about.So then,few major religions can be excluded from Nepal.I`ll give up the Vikings.Odin and Thor are a whole different story,and used other weapons.
 
any Nepal / Viking connection would have to go pretty far back... linguistically there is evidence that Tir and Zeus are the same god back in the old Indo-European days. Maybe back a little further one could claim that Shiva is just another branch on that tree.

The Odin worshipping thing was fairly recent for Vikings (500 AD maybe?)- before that it was Tir all the way. They are both Gods Of War but Odin is sneaky where Tir is just a hard charger.

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Namaste,
Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
Uncle Bill,

I'm new to the world of khurkuris, so please excuse my ignorance; but, what does "surya ra chandra" mean?

 
Now that you mention it,there is a common Indo European heritage.I`d have to look it up,but the Arayns split from the plain of Pamir.What,15,000BC?Some went west,some east,probably over population.Alexander returned to the Indus.Back then,the rulers of N.Africa also were Indo European.

[This message has been edited by ghostsix (edited 12 October 1999).]
 
Certainly nowhere near 15,000 BCE. More like 3,500 +/- for the Indo-European breakup. Where the IE peoples split up from is a matter of a good deal of controversy with most of the heavyweights weighing in on either Ukraine or Anatolia (modern Turkey).

The probability that it was near the Pamirs is low. OTOH, ghostsix said the Aryans split from arount there, which is more plausible, assuming that by "Aryan" he was referring to (what is usually called, in historical linguistic circles nowadays) the Indo-Iranians. This is quite different from the rather poor use of "Aryan" to mean "Indo-European" (or even "Northern European") as the Nazis seemed to do.

Following another part of the thread, I don't know of anything resembling linguistic evidence that Thor and Zeus are the same god. They clearly do have a sufficient number of similar attributes to make you suspect that they are, but the names don't appear to be related. "Zeus" and "deus" (Latin for "god" are related), as is Skt. "deva".


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Paul Neubauer
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Following another part of the thread, I don't know of anything resembling linguistic evidence that Thor and Zeus are the same god. They clearly do have a sufficient number of similar attributes to make you suspect that they are, but the names don't appear to be related. "Zeus" and "deus" (Latin for "god" are related), as is Skt. "deva".
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Not Thor, Tir. Different guy entirely (although one warlike Viking God is pretty much like another...). I will check my sources on that one.

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Namaste,
Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
This is long before National Socialism.I hope that we can leave them out of it.Tir,or Tyr, was the one armed god who gave his arm to Fenris,the wolf.Early self sacrafice for the common good.There is a semantic and etomoligical connection between Sanscrit and Old Norse,as I recall.The class was a long time ago.
 
It's been about four years since I took "History of Classical India".

If I recall correctly, prof said something about the original name being "Dyeus-Pitar" or something like that, probably some sort of sky/thunder god, leading to names like Deus, Zeus, and Jupiter in India, Greece, and Rome respectively.

Thunder gods are cool. Vikings had Thor, Slavs had Perun the Thunderer, and some scholars even believe that Yahweh himself originally began his career as a divinity as a little-known northwestern semitic weather god (read: thunder god) with horns, a tail, and a consort. And wasn't there Raiden in Japan, made famous by TV shows and movies and videogames the world over?
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This whole Indo-European/thundergod bit also always makes me think of the "Kurgan" character in "Highlander."

"I got somethin' to say! Better to burn out than to FAAAADE away!!!"

(sorry, I couldn't help myself there)

-Dave

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Thor also used an interesting weapon,a hammer.Thor`s hammer still hangs around Norsk necks.I have one.I don`t wear it,but the Norse were never really christianized.It was a matter of alliances.Because of their long isolation,Iceland still speaks a language that Erik would understand.The Allthing dates to 900 AD.

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