True Pirates of the Caribbean/Black Bart

[Leatherface]

Black Bart was something wasnt he??

Yea I got to watch the show the other nite and enjoyed it immensly...However, with much respect to Mike and you guy's my favorite pirate would have to be Black Beard...Has been my favorite for years and continues to fasinate yours truly

Now my OTHER favorite pirate would have to be YELLOWBEARD!!! ARRRRRR!!!!!

 

[Ad Astra]

With all respect due to both Blackbeards, Queen Anne's Revenge was lost by going aground. Bet HE wasn't a navigator. Sorry but that's a disgrace.

Whilst Bart was killed in combat, let down by a drunken crew. Alas, he knew the evils of alcohol and stayed away from it; yet again in another case he was right.

In Blackbeard's portrayal (the dead one, not the forumite :foot: ) he wasn't killed in hand-to-hand combat with Maynard, which I previously thought, but was hacked from behind. A fair combat death, but not a duel.

Also, many of Bart's prizes were taken in port; thusly proving Sun Tzu's The Art of War, where it is written, "to win without fighting is best." Even a few guys killed in each engagement leads to a serious attrition rate when you take 400 ships.

Roman gladiators were sometimes fought to the death ($$$) but in Bart's crew, whoever drew blood first in a dispute won the disagreement. Very economical and no useless crew losses.

See that one abpout keeping your weapons clean, oiled & ready? Bart had it together. Still he knew it couldn't last; thus "a short life but a merry one."



Mike

 

[Leatherface]

You make good point's Mike...Truly a pirate ahead of his time...

I just like Blackbeard better (and he was killed off the coast of NC!) so NUH!..lol

 

[tedwca]

Roman gladiators were sometimes fought to the death ($$$) but in Bart's crew, whoever drew blood first in a dispute won the disagreement. Very economical and no useless crew losses.
Mike

Well, not quite. First they would use pistols, then swords.

"None shall strike another on board the ship, but every man's quarrel shall be ended on shore by sword or pistol in this manner. At the word of command from the quartermaster, each man being previously placed back to back, shall turn and fire immediately. If any man do not, the quartermaster shall knock the piece out of his hand. If both miss their aim they shall take to their cutlasses, and he that draweth first blood shall be declared the victor.

 

[Ad Astra]

Well, not quite. First they would use pistols, then swords.

You win. No need to take this up on shore.

Click on that link below for a prize worth sharing. :thumbup:

ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring....


Mike

 

[tedwca]

You win. No need to take this up on shore.

Click on that link below for a prize worth sharing. :thumbup:

ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring....


Mike

But Mike, I was quoting YOU!! I'm not sure that you are impartial enough to judge me victorious. Maybe we'll just have to meet on that little sandbar with our falcatas at sunrise
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Villager(satin) vs. Standard(shiny)

or....better yet I don't think Dave HAS a falcata, so he is obviously not one of US. unless he does have one and then....well....we'll figure something out.

Hey, Nasty can decide.

oh wait. He has a falcata also. hmmm.

Well, I'm sure it'll all work out.

 

[Sylvrfalcn]

But Mike, I was quoting YOU!! I'm not sure that you are impartial enough to judge me victorious. Maybe we'll just have to meet on that little sandbar with our falcatas at sunrise
.
Villager(satin) vs. Standard(shiny)

or....better yet I don't think Dave HAS a falcata, so he is obviously not one of US. unless he does have one and then....well....we'll figure something out.

Hey, Nasty can decide.

oh wait. He has a falcata also. hmmm.

Well, I'm sure it'll all work out.

Aaaargh, 32 ounce ball peens at dawn. Nasty can stand in as Quartermaster and render "mercy" to the loser. With Falcatas, the whole thing would be over quick as a Mike Tyson boxing match. Aaargh, duel to the death (or at least considerable discomfort) with ball peen hammers, by thunder, that'll give the crew a show. But, some dignity and propriety must be maintained, so no hammering below the belt.

Sarge

 

[Ad Astra]

Seems like a bad idea to get into a hammer fight with a guy who raises tigers, lions, & cheetahs (Ted). An Excedrin headache with Nasty referreeing.

If a duel of honor is necessay because I quoted the articles wrong, well, why waste pirates? The "Casa de Las Mujeres de La Vida" in Port Royal has many favorites that would miss us both. Aye, and weep real tears.

I'll forfeit my share of rum for the next cruise. Bart would approve.


M(arlin) (Sp)ike

hey, "Marlin Spike" sounds like a bad p0rn0 actor from the 70's

 

[Fiddleback]

I missed the show. I'm still partial to Jean Lafitte. Although he was technically a privateer. He did a lot of the same rulemaking that Black Bart did. He actually estabolished a seperate island nation, Barataria, off the coast of Louisianna, and made a rule of law that governed its residents and his fleet. I am biased though due to my lineage.

 

[M. Taylor]

For anyone who's interested, the program is being repeated tonight at 9 PM.

The Discovery channel also did a program that went into more detail on Henry Morgan. As the program outlined it, Morgan was a very good soldier / tactician, but a rather poor sailor.

 

[Ad Astra]

BTTT

Bart To The Top

Tx, M. Taylor:

It is on The History Channel right now- great stuff.


Mike

 

[Sylvrfalcn]

For anyone who's interested, the program is being repeated tonight at 9 PM.

The Discovery channel also did a program that went into more detail on Henry Morgan. As the program outlined it, Morgan was a very good soldier / tactician, but a rather poor sailor.

Aargh, Captain Morgan was a pirate's pirate. The manner in which he sacked Panama is truly epic, and definitely a good historical read. Don't know of many pirates who were knighted by the crown outside of Sir Francis Drake (technically a privateer), but Captain Morgan was knighted Sir Henry Morgan, and went on to become governor of Jamaica.

Another interesting fellow for you history buffs is a gent by the name of Don Pedro Menendez de Aviles. Not a pirate, but a ruthless and courageous captain nonetheless. He was instrumental in founding Saint Augustine, Florida, the oldest continuously existing city in the United States (pre-dates Jamestown, Virginia by some four decades). Before he became a Knight of the order of Santiago, and governor of New Spain's holdings in "La Florida", he had his own dealings with French pirates/privateers. In one engagement, he and his men sailed into a bay and recaptured five Spanish vessels, right under the muzzles of the shore batteries, slaughtering every Frenchman aboard. Dealt the French another terrible blow some twenty years later at what's now known as Matanzas Bay in Florida. Matanzas means literally, "place of murder". The French were bound and had their throats slit, the preferred Spanish method of execution. Don Pedro wasn't a pirate, but not the sort of man you'd want to run foul of either.

Sarge

 

[Bill Marsh]

I missed the show. I'm still partial to Jean Lafitte. Although he was technically a privateer. He did a lot of the same rulemaking that Black Bart did. He actually estabolished a seperate island nation, Barataria, off the coast of Louisianna, and made a rule of law that governed its residents and his fleet. I am biased though due to my lineage.

Interesting coincidence, Andy. My mother sad that we were also related to Lafitte.

 

[Fiddleback]

I'm not sure its much of a coincidence Bill. He raped his share of the women in his day. I'm sure he had quite a litter of little bastards out there. LOL. Its neat that we share some kinda bastard roots though. LOL.

 

[M. Taylor]

Aargh, Captain Morgan was a pirate's pirate. The manner in which he sacked Panama is truly epic, and definitely a good historical read. Don't know of many pirates who were knighted by the crown outside of Sir Francis Drake (technically a privateer), but Captain Morgan was knighted Sir Henry Morgan, and went on to become governor of Jamaica.

Sarge

Indeed. His sacking of Puerto Belo and his escape from Maracaibo were also quite impressive. When it came to his ships though, he didn't fair quite so well. According to the Discovery Channel show, he had one flagship (Oxford) blown out from under him because some idiot took a lighted lantern into the powder room, killing almost all of the crew. Morgan survived because the explosion blew him (and a few others) clear of the ship. He captured a ship from the French (which he named Satisfaction, IIRC), which he later ran aground during the landing for the raid on Panama. Nonetheless, he was quite the amazing person. Poor sod drank himself to death, though.