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These are those Lakesides I was talking about in other thread. I had thought they were made in Oregon in Klamath Falls due to what I found on another thread. I saw another thread as well that says some Lakesides predate 1830.I don't know how accurate any of that is. The script writing on the Warren and the Eclipse do seem quite similar. I did use chalk to try to pull the stamps.
Your just swimming in Lakesides!:thumbup:
I don't thin k I have seen the Lakeside stamp that is on that hatchet before. I can't read whats below the Lakeside. Is it "Saw & Tool Co"? Good looking hatchet!
Sluicebox, I have been looking around on the internet and I don't know if that hatchet is related to the Montgomery Wards brand "Lakeside". I wonder why it is spelled" Lake Side" instead of "Lakeside" on your hatchet as everything I have seen on Lakeside Saw & tool Co, Lakeside is one word. The smith had limited education probably.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-lakeside-16-rh-broad-head-hewing-hatchet-axe
Lots of information to digest out there and I am not up to it tonight.
http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=225273&submit_thread=1
What do you guys think?
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-lakeside-16-rh-broad-head-hewing-hatchet-axe
Lots of information to digest out there and I am not up to it tonight.
http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=225273&submit_thread=1
What do you guys think?
I found this in the link that you posted above. I swear that last time I searched Lakesides I found a link saying they were made in Southern Oregon. Looks like that might be incorrect as this is the second reference I've seen stating they were from back East. Thanks for the links.
The Iron Trade Review, February 13, 1908:
The Lakeside Saw & Tool Co., 120 Michigan avenue, Chicago, to manufacture
tools and hardware appliances, has been incorporated by J. F. McFadden, J.
K. Mayne and George R. Dugan with $1,000 capital stock.
Wiktor A. Kuc
I'm thinking that broad hatchet was one of their early ones, made before they were picked up by Wards. However even in that listing I reference above Lakeside is one word just as you state.
The Iron Trade Review, February 13, 1908:
The Lakeside Saw & Tool Co., 120 Michigan avenue, Chicago, to manufacture
tools and hardware appliances, has been incorporated by J. F. McFadden, J.
K. Mayne and George R. Dugan with $1,000 capital stock.
Wiktor A. Kuc
I'm thinking that broad hatchet was one of their early ones, made before they were picked up by Wards. However even in that listing I reference above Lakeside is one word just as you state.
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Could it be possible that Wards was already using the Lakeside branding when Lakeside Saw & Tool was formed? Did Wards trade mark the name? Would Lakeside Saw & Tool be an infringement on the trade mark?
I still have lots of questions. Some of the answers could be found in Wards catalogs.
And then there is this broad axe from Davis Town Museum.
http://www.davistownmuseum.org/Inventoryofpictures/WebIXToolsNotInCollection.html
Maybe your hatchet is older than Montgomery Wards.
And still more.
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=3993
So now we have Lakeside forge and a company called Lakeside Foundry.
1900 Montgomery Wards Lakeside roofing.
https://archive.org/stream/M.W.Co.ReadyRoofing/MontgomeryWardRoofing#page/n5/mode/2up
So we know Montgomery Wards was using the lakeside brand before Lakeside Saw & Tool Company was formed.
The plot thickens, excellent links thank you. I'm gonna really dig for that Oregon link to Lakeside. I doubt that it was accurate as there wasn't much here other than Trappers and Indians in 1830. The Whitman Massacre didn't happen until late 1847. I hold a Mining Claim here that is one of the oldest in the state dated 1853. Gold is what settled Oregon Territory, well Agriculture was ahead but not by much. Lewis and Clark departed St. Louis in 1804 and get this lol. In the news now here in Oregon they are saying they have "The Mololla Cabin built by Europeans 15 years prior to Lewis and Clark's Journey. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-believe-log-cabin-home-Russian-farmers.html
That cabin just needs some Pine Tar, kerosene and BLO. 
History is kind of like genealogy, the more you know the more questions you have, its a never ending puzzle. Its not surprising to me that Russia was in the Oregon country, or the Spaniards at an early date. But for that cabin to have survived for this long is very surprising. I am going to be learning a little more about it and its construction. I good read for sure.
History is kind of like genealogy, the more you know the more questions you have, its a never ending puzzle. Its not surprising to me that Russia was in the Oregon country, or the Spaniards at an early date. But for that cabin to have survived for this long is very surprising. I am going to be learning a little more about it and its construction. I good read for sure.
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Further down in thread:
"Thanks, Ray, but credit where it is due: Wiktor came up with the
address for Lakeside Saw & Tool, the date of incorporation, and
names of the so-called company officers. Then Kirk made a
definitive connection of the physical location/address with
Monkey Ward. What I did was put the names of the "officers" of
Lakeside in a search box together with Montgomery Ward, and
concluded that the company had merely used the names of some of
its mid-level managers (of bookkeeping and "typewriting") as officers-of-
record for Lakeside Saw & Tool. Match made, mostly due to the
wonders of the internet and the information that can be found
therein, instantly, from a distance. Tom"
The "officers" in the above are J. F. McFadden and J.K. Mayne.
So why am I interested in Lakeside and Montgomery Ward? About a week ago I also got a Lakeside axehead with the cursive script. But I really got started a couple years ago when I acquired a Lakeside MW backsaw.
I believe the etch is an early if not the first etch by MW for a Lakeside saw.
I think the cities on the etch (one of them Portland) were MW manufacturing sites. What ever they were it might help with Oregon connection.
I think this could be possible.
Further down in thread:
"Thanks, Ray, but credit where it is due: Wiktor came up with the
address for Lakeside Saw & Tool, the date of incorporation, and
names of the so-called company officers. Then Kirk made a
definitive connection of the physical location/address with
Monkey Ward. What I did was put the names of the "officers" of
Lakeside in a search box together with Montgomery Ward, and
concluded that the company had merely used the names of some of
its mid-level managers (of bookkeeping and "typewriting") as officers-of-
record for Lakeside Saw & Tool. Match made, mostly due to the
wonders of the internet and the information that can be found
therein, instantly, from a distance. Tom"
The "officers" in the above are J. F. McFadden and J.K. Mayne.
So why am I interested in Lakeside and Montgomery Ward? About a week ago I also got a Lakeside axehead with the cursive script. But I really got started a couple years ago when I acquired a Lakeside MW backsaw.
I believe the etch is an early if not the first etch by MW for a Lakeside saw.
I think the cities on the etch (one of them Portland) were MW manufacturing sites. What ever they were it might help with Oregon connection.
I think this could be possible.
Very nice saw! With the M&W trade mark. Maybe finding when Montgomery Wards first opened offices in New York, Kansas City, Fort Worth and Portland might put a date on it?
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It is a 14 inch back saw.
The nuts look original, but you can never be sure. The medallion is what I would expect on a saw sold by somebody like MW.
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It is a 14 inch back saw.
The nuts look original, but you can never be sure. The medallion is what I would expect on a saw sold by somebody like MW.
Thank you. That's kind of what I expected also.