Two Hawks Competition Throwing Hawk

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My Two Hawks Competition Throwing Hawk arrived last week & I'm very, very impressed. It is a truly beautiful piece with great fit & finish. The 6150 steel is nicely blued & the premium grade American hickory handle comes with a "London Oil gunstock finish" (I believe, linseed oil w/paste wax finish). A couple of nice touches are that the hawk is serial numbered & comes with an owner's certificate & care instructions.

<a href="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/Two%20Hawks%20Competition%20Throwing%20Hawk.jpg"><img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/Two%20Hawks%20Competition%20Throwing%20Hawk.jpg" alt="Two Hawks Competition Throwing Hawk" border="0" width="256" height="192"></a>

OK, the form of this hawk is really nice but I wanted to see how it would function so I took it up to our camp this past weekend for a workout. The head features semi-sharpened top & bottom edges designed to increase the chance of sticking into the target... and, boy, does it stick! I have a few hawks that I play with but this quickly became my favorite thrower. At just a little more than a pound (Two Hawks lists its weight at 1.25 lbs.), it is quite a bit lighter than my other throwers and caused no arm fatigue at all even after extended throwing sessions.

Two Hawks mentioned that he deliberately leaves the heads on the soft side so that they will roll, rather that chip out, upon contact with rocks, nails, etc. Although I am getting pretty good at hitting the mark, I still have my occasional misses. You guessed it... and the edge hit rocks twice & did roll.
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The good news is that I was able to fix the edge using a combination of a chakma (smooth steel) from one of my khukuris for most of the straightening and a medium Sharpmaker stone to finish the repair.

Even though this hawk is purpose-built as a thrower, I wanted to see how it would handle some camp chores. I was pleasantly surprised. While it is certainly not a heavy duty chopper, it had no problems at all going through some wrist-size pieces of dry hard wood. It also proved very capable of striping the thick bark from an old log. Given the geometry of it's primary edge, it would probably also serve well as a big game skinner in a pinch, not to mention be much better than a skinner for those pelvis bones. I'll have to remember to include it with my hunting gear next Fall.

In short, it's a winner!
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(Edited 7/24/01 to correct URL.)
 
Good stuff, bro'.

I hope I can make it up to the camp one of these days for some khuk'n' and hawk'n.
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Blues

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You know you'd be welcome, bro. Just say when.

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Cheers,
Brian

He who finishes with the most toys wins.

NOTE: My old PhotoPoint site is no more. Follow the "toys" link to my new site.
 
Dear Brian,
Thanks very much for a good field test on the hawk. It does stick well - that's the head that has won the hawk championship at Riverton 3 years in a row.
Per your comments - you can hold it like an Alaskan Ulu (the head is smoothly rounded top and bottom near the eye) and use it as a skinner, and it is a good fleshing tool as well when you're working hides to tan into garments. Of course, using a hawk is much better than pounding your good skinning knife through an elk pelvis with a rock. That's why the old-timers carried both!
Again, many thanks for the kind words. May you, your children, and your grandchildren use and enjoy the hawk for many years.
Best regards,
TWO HAWKS
http://www.mcn.net/~twohawks
 
You're welcome, Two Hawks. When I find a good product, I like to spread the word. I already told you my wife has started tossin' hawks. Well, she's adopted the Competition model as her own too. (BTW, I'm still better but it's only a matter of time...
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As to future generations using the hawk, I have a feeling that they will. My daughter, who generally finds my obsession with sharp objects to be amusing, picked up the Competition hawk & said, "Ouuu, nice!" At first she said it was too pretty to use. She then proceeded to hog it & tried her hand at throwing for the next half hour or so.
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I think we'll be doing some more business in the near future.

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Cheers,
Brian

He who finishes with the most toys wins.

NOTE: My old PhotoPoint site is no more. Follow the "toys" link to my new site.
 
Brian :

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Two Hawks mentioned that he deliberately leaves the heads on the soft side so that they will roll, rather that chip out, upon contact with rocks, nails, etc.</font>

What is the RC of the edge?

-Cliff
 
Cliff, here's what Two Hawks had to say in the Makers' forum:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Two Hawks:
Reference hardness - here is the philosophy:
1. An axe is an impact tool. It must be kept softer than a knife to avoid shattering and other problems (see below).
2. An axe should be kept soft enough to work the edge with a file, unlike a knife. That is what I do (no Rockwell tester but would guess about 45-50RC).
3. When you hit the wrong s**t with the axe (which you will) the softer edge will "roll" or deform slightly, and is easily dressed out (often requiring only 320 and finer grits with leather-hone finishing). A hard "knife" edge will break out a large chip (or will crack) and then you are looking at a major operation to bring it back to the original edge.
4. The double-bit axes of the lumberjacks in the 1800's were harder, but were used by PROFESSIONALS who cut only softwoods (pine/spruce/redwood) and not bone, concrete, rocks, nails, and the other s**t often impacted by today's hunter/axe user.
5. The challenge is edge retention in the "soft" steel which is why I use the high vanadium alloy. Lots of surface carbides to take the wear though it eats grinding belts 3 times as fast as the 4140 I used to use. It works. Field users have cut a lot of wood with them and brought back a shaving edge with just leather honing.
Hope this information is useful. TWO HAWKS
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Cheers,
Brian

He who finishes with the most toys wins.

NOTE: My old PhotoPoint site is no more. Follow the "toys" link to my new site.

[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 06-15-2001).]
 
I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon and reaffirm all of the good things that have already been mentioned about the tomahawks being offered by Two Hawks (Robert Thalmann). I just received a “Longhunter” ‘hawk from Two Hawks and I’m extremely impressed with it. This ‘hawk is beautifully crafted…the handle has a surprisingly high level of finish and the bluing on the head is a very nice touch. I haven’t had a chance to use it much, but it is very quick and light (quite a bit lighter than I had anticipated, in fact). The Longhunter was delivered with an extremely sharp edge (for a tomahawk), and it has held up very well to the limited use I’ve put it through so far. I ordered the rawhide-reinforced version, both out of curiosity and because I found the look of it appealing. Mr. Thalmann explained that the wrapping was in no sense cosmetic…it functions as a kind of “Indian fiberglass” to absorb and distribute the shock of impact (the fact that it looks cool is just a bonus ;)).

It became apparent during my correspondence with Two Hawks that he is very serious about is craftsmanship…he has given careful consideration to every aspect of the construction of his ‘hawks. These are real working tools, not just props for period re-enactors (although I’m sure they’d serve well at any Rendezvous). Mr. Thalmann was also a pleasure to deal with…very helpful and courteous throughout the process. I’m very happy with my Longhunter, and I plan to order again from Two Hawks in the future.

Jim
 
Dear Jim,
Thanks for the compliments, and sorry for the delay in thanking you. Have been playing "catch-up," trying to build hawks fast enough to meet orders (no luck there), starting international sales, and coping with my internet provider getting gobbled up by a bigger fish in the pond (causing me a lot of grief).
The Longhunter has been a very popular mid-size hawk with many folks who need a reliable tool in the bush. The "Indian Fiberglass" on the rawhide-reinforced model keeps you from breaking the handle when you miss a cut ... my own camp hawk has been sorely abused since 1991 and I've never come close to breaking the handle, but the rawhide has taken a LOT of hits!
TWO HAWKS
http://www.2hawks.net
 
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